* [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? @ 2006-01-03 18:03 Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 17:15 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Rumor has it... "Sources say Google has been in negotiations with Wal-Mart Stores Inc., among other retailers, to sell a Google PC. The machine would run an operating system created by Google, not Microsoft's Windows, which is one reason it would be so cheap perhaps as little as a couple of hundred dollars." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-predict1jan01,0,3503327.story Is it the mother-of-all-gnot? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 18:03 [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 17:15 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 17:25 ` jmk 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Holy Sheep Shit! If I didn't have so many machines I'd buy some. brucee On 1/4/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > Rumor has it... > > "Sources say Google has been in negotiations with Wal-Mart > Stores Inc., among other retailers, to sell a Google PC. The > machine would run an operating system created by Google, not > Microsoft's Windows, which is one reason it would be so cheap > perhaps as little as a couple of hundred dollars." > > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-predict1jan01,0,3503327.story > > Is it the mother-of-all-gnot? > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:15 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 17:25 ` jmk 2006-01-03 17:31 ` Bruce Ellis ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-01-03 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans The question is why would they do that? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/03/google_pc_claim/ --jim On Tue Jan 3 12:15:52 EST 2006, bruce.ellis@gmail.com wrote: > Holy Sheep Shit! If I didn't have so many machines I'd > buy some. > > brucee > > On 1/4/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > Rumor has it... > > > > "Sources say Google has been in negotiations with Wal-Mart > > Stores Inc., among other retailers, to sell a Google PC. The > > machine would run an operating system created by Google, not > > Microsoft's Windows, which is one reason it would be so cheap > > perhaps as little as a couple of hundred dollars." > > > > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-predict1jan01,0,3503327.story > > > > Is it the mother-of-all-gnot? > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:25 ` jmk @ 2006-01-03 17:31 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 17:46 ` Dan Cross 2006-01-03 20:04 ` lucio 2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs must be $$$ in there. brucee On 1/4/06, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com <jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > The question is why would they do that? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/03/google_pc_claim/ > > --jim > > On Tue Jan 3 12:15:52 EST 2006, bruce.ellis@gmail.com wrote: > > Holy Sheep Shit! If I didn't have so many machines I'd > > buy some. > > > > brucee > > > > On 1/4/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > > Rumor has it... > > > > > > "Sources say Google has been in negotiations with Wal-Mart > > > Stores Inc., among other retailers, to sell a Google PC. The > > > machine would run an operating system created by Google, not > > > Microsoft's Windows, which is one reason it would be so cheap > > > perhaps as little as a couple of hundred dollars." > > > > > > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-predict1jan01,0,3503327.story > > > > > > Is it the mother-of-all-gnot? > > > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:25 ` jmk 2006-01-03 17:31 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 17:46 ` Dan Cross 2006-01-03 17:55 ` jmk 2006-01-03 17:58 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 20:04 ` lucio 2 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2006-01-03 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:25:55PM -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The question is why would they do that? Which part? Their own PC, or their own operating system? - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:46 ` Dan Cross @ 2006-01-03 17:55 ` jmk 2006-01-03 17:58 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-01-03 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Either. On Tue Jan 3 12:48:42 EST 2006, cross@math.psu.edu wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:25:55PM -0500, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > The question is why would they do that? > > Which part? Their own PC, or their own operating system? > > - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:46 ` Dan Cross 2006-01-03 17:55 ` jmk @ 2006-01-03 17:58 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 18:06 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 19:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Uninformed speculation: They want a pile of users for their online applications. At small cost they can provide an appliance that provides always-on, always-networked services that people want: search, photo management, content delivery, and I'm betting soon a home office suite. Portable documents where ever google is. And largely funded through their advertising model which gets to target people even more accurately based on their documents and work habits. Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google server. Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:58 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 18:06 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 19:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs well thought and spoke. On 1/4/06, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote: > Uninformed speculation: > > They want a pile of users for their online applications. > At small cost they can provide an appliance that provides always-on, > always-networked services that people want: search, photo management, > content delivery, and I'm betting soon a home office suite. Portable > documents where ever google is. > And largely funded through their advertising model which gets to > target people even more accurately based on their documents and work > habits. > > Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google > server. > > Paul > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:58 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 18:06 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 19:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 18:16 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 18:30 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google > server. i've seen this before; maybe gnot. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 19:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 18:16 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 18:30 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs google machine gnot's MS. On 1/4/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google > > server. > > i've seen this before; maybe gnot. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 19:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 18:16 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 18:30 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 18:37 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 20:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs The scary part is how little OS you wind up needing; really just enough of a base to support local document caching (which will be sold as "files on your machine" but are really a cache), and to run AJAX. I'm betting you can embed Opera or Firefox on a relatively small machine with these kinds of constraints, without even needing to re-use GNU/Linux. Paul On 3-Jan-06, at 11:07 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google >> server. > > i've seen this before; maybe gnot. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 18:30 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 18:37 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-04 3:54 ` Brian L. Stuart 2006-01-03 20:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Inferno fits easily on a linksys wrt54g router, web server and all. Go figure. brucee On 1/4/06, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote: > The scary part is how little OS you wind up needing; really just > enough of a base to support local document caching (which will be > sold as "files on your machine" but are really a cache), and to run > AJAX. I'm betting you can embed Opera or Firefox on a relatively > small machine with these kinds of constraints, without even needing > to re-use GNU/Linux. > > Paul > > On 3-Jan-06, at 11:07 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > >> Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google > >> server. > > > > i've seen this before; maybe gnot. > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 18:37 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 3:54 ` Brian L. Stuart 2006-01-04 5:21 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-04 10:59 ` C H Forsyth 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2006-01-04 3:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs In message <775b8d190601031037t174cc069g851b63ce4021932a@mail.gmail.com>, Bruce Ellis writes: >Inferno fits easily on a linksys wrt54g router, web server >and all. Go figure. Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. Thanks, BLS ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-04 3:54 ` Brian L. Stuart @ 2006-01-04 5:21 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-04 5:44 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-04 10:59 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 5:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs the simple answer is yes. froggie did it years ago. i see nothing in any distribution that implements it. brucee On 1/4/06, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > In message <775b8d190601031037t174cc069g851b63ce4021932a@mail.gmail.com>, Bruce > Ellis writes: > >Inferno fits easily on a linksys wrt54g router, web server > >and all. Go figure. > > Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 > or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. > > Thanks, > BLS > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-04 5:21 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 5:44 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 5:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs sorry i should have been less terse. froggie runs inferno (it is a 4 processor box) but it shares the same ip stack that good old dave wrote for plan9. brucee On 1/4/06, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote: > the simple answer is yes. froggie did it years ago. > i see nothing in any distribution that implements it. > > brucee > > On 1/4/06, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > In message <775b8d190601031037t174cc069g851b63ce4021932a@mail.gmail.com>, Bruce > > Ellis writes: > > >Inferno fits easily on a linksys wrt54g router, web server > > >and all. Go figure. > > > > Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 > > or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. > > > > Thanks, > > BLS > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-04 3:54 ` Brian L. Stuart 2006-01-04 5:21 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 10:59 ` C H Forsyth 2006-01-04 11:02 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-05 3:21 ` Brian L. Stuart 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2006-01-04 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 >or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. i had a quick look at the archives but couldn't find the right article. still, a previous time this was discussed, i think it was stated by <deleted> that the nat code hadn't been released because it was considered at the time to compete with a lucent product <deleted> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-04 10:59 ` C H Forsyth @ 2006-01-04 11:02 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-05 3:21 ` Brian L. Stuart 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-04 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs good memory. On 1/4/06, C H Forsyth <forsyth@vitanuova.com> wrote: > >Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 > >or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. > > i had a quick look at the archives but couldn't find the right article. > still, a previous time this was discussed, i think it was stated > by <deleted> that the nat code hadn't been released because it was considered > at the time to compete with a lucent product <deleted> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-04 10:59 ` C H Forsyth 2006-01-04 11:02 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-05 3:21 ` Brian L. Stuart 2006-01-05 12:24 ` Bruce Ellis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2006-01-05 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs In message <63349e4f7ae73a58077654a3cd628027@vitanuova.com>, C H Forsyth writes : >>Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 >>or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. > >i had a quick look at the archives but couldn't find the right article. >still, a previous time this was discussed, i think it was stated >by <deleted> that the nat code hadn't been released because it was considered >at the time to compete with a lucent product <deleted> Oh well. I had thought it would be fun to change my router/NAT box over to Inferno from an old Linux install. But I guess it'll have to wait. Thanks, BLS ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-05 3:21 ` Brian L. Stuart @ 2006-01-05 12:24 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-06 5:28 ` Jeff Sickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-05 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs sorry, i've had a very eventful (last) year so ozinferno ain't out yet. sorry that i'm actually testing it and fixing bugs. garbage collection is now another order of magnitude more efficient. there is still one nasty which i have tracked but not fixed. brucee On 1/5/06, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > In message <63349e4f7ae73a58077654a3cd628027@vitanuova.com>, C H Forsyth writes > : > >>Speaking of such things. Is there NAT support in either Plan 9 > >>or Inferno? I looked around and if it's there, I'm missing it. > > > >i had a quick look at the archives but couldn't find the right article. > >still, a previous time this was discussed, i think it was stated > >by <deleted> that the nat code hadn't been released because it was considered > >at the time to compete with a lucent product <deleted> > > Oh well. I had thought it would be fun to change my router/NAT > box over to Inferno from an old Linux install. But I guess it'll > have to wait. > > Thanks, > BLS > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-05 12:24 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-06 5:28 ` Jeff Sickel 2006-01-06 15:52 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Jeff Sickel @ 2006-01-06 5:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Do you need beta testers and the like? jas On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > sorry, i've had a very eventful (last) year so ozinferno ain't out > yet. > sorry that i'm actually testing it and fixing bugs. garbage > collection > is now another order of magnitude more efficient. there is still one > nasty which i have tracked but not fixed. > > brucee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-06 5:28 ` Jeff Sickel @ 2006-01-06 15:52 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-06 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs there are a few alpha testers - i hope to release it for beta on 'stralia day but if my (non inferno related) disaster rate doesn't improve it may not happen. thanks for the offer. brucee On 1/6/06, Jeff Sickel <jas@corpus-callosum.com> wrote: > Do you need beta testers and the like? > > jas > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > > > sorry, i've had a very eventful (last) year so ozinferno ain't out > > yet. > > sorry that i'm actually testing it and fixing bugs. garbage > > collection > > is now another order of magnitude more efficient. there is still one > > nasty which i have tracked but not fixed. > > > > brucee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 18:30 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 18:37 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 20:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 19:32 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 19:55 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Check out Gnot. If it is a Gnot-thingy and it is only connecting to Google, why would they muck with AJAX when they can use a file protocol? > The scary part is how little OS you wind up needing; really just > enough of a base to support local document caching (which will be > sold as "files on your machine" but are really a cache), and to run > AJAX. I'm betting you can embed Opera or Firefox on a relatively > small machine with these kinds of constraints, without even needing > to re-use GNU/Linux. > > Paul > > On 3-Jan-06, at 11:07 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >>> Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google >>> server. >> >> i've seen this before; maybe gnot. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 20:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 19:32 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 20:42 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 19:55 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Skip knows how I work. Windows laptop running drawterm, connected to two servers in sydney and his in the next room. Gnot hard. brucee On 1/4/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > Check out Gnot. > > If it is a Gnot-thingy and it is only connecting to Google, why would > they muck with AJAX when they can use a file protocol? > > > The scary part is how little OS you wind up needing; really just > > enough of a base to support local document caching (which will be > > sold as "files on your machine" but are really a cache), and to run > > AJAX. I'm betting you can embed Opera or Firefox on a relatively > > small machine with these kinds of constraints, without even needing > > to re-use GNU/Linux. > > > > Paul > > > > On 3-Jan-06, at 11:07 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > >>> Don't think of it as a PC, but rather as a terminal to the Google > >>> server. > >> > >> i've seen this before; maybe gnot. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 19:32 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 20:42 ` Skip Tavakkolian 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-03 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Gnot hard. and Gnot scarry either :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 20:07 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-03 19:32 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 19:55 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 20:08 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 20:10 ` jmk 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 3-Jan-06, at 12:07 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > If it is a Gnot-thingy and it is only connecting to Google, why would > they muck with AJAX when they can use a file protocol? User-base and user-acceptability. The user base comes from people already running AJAX boxes. User acceptability comes from addressing a key shortcoming of Gnot. I like Gnot --- I don't think Rob has gotten nearly the recognition from the HCI community on this interface breakthrough and interfaces- for-programmers in general --- but I continue to doubt that the public is ready to put all their files on a remote server without being able to get to them when the umbilicus is severed. Servers make people anxious; by adding local disk Google can ease that while still mirroring people's data on their network/computer. Gmail was just the start of that particular slippery slope. Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 19:55 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2006-01-03 20:08 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 20:10 ` jmk 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Gnot that hard, bud. On 1/4/06, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote: > > On 3-Jan-06, at 12:07 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > If it is a Gnot-thingy and it is only connecting to Google, why would > > they muck with AJAX when they can use a file protocol? > > User-base and user-acceptability. > The user base comes from people already running AJAX boxes. > User acceptability comes from addressing a key shortcoming of Gnot. > I like Gnot --- I don't think Rob has gotten nearly the recognition > from the HCI community on this interface breakthrough and interfaces- > for-programmers in general --- but I continue to doubt that the > public is ready to put all their files on a remote server without > being able to get to them when the umbilicus is severed. Servers > make people anxious; by adding local disk Google can ease that while > still mirroring people's data on their network/computer. Gmail was > just the start of that particular slippery slope. > > Paul > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 19:55 ` Paul Lalonde 2006-01-03 20:08 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2006-01-03 20:10 ` jmk 2006-01-03 20:33 ` Christoph Lohmann 2006-01-09 7:21 ` Gorka guardiola 1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-01-03 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I was about to ask what AJAX was, since it's clearly none of the three I'm familar with. However, the OED is illuminating: †aˈjax. Obs. Jocularly for a jakes; see jakes. 1588 Shakes. L.L.L. v. ii. 581 Your Lion that holds his Pollax sitting on a close stoole, will be giuen to Aiax. 1596 Harington (title) The Metamorphosis of Ajax. 1611 Cotgr., Retraict, an Aiax, Priuie, house of Office. and then 1 jakes (dʒeɪks). Forms: 6 iacques, 6–7 iaxe, iakes, iaques, 7 jacks, 7–8 jaques, 7– jakes (also 6 iake, 8 jack). Plural, 6 iaxes, 7 jakeses, jaqueses, 8 jakes's; also in same form as sing. [Origin unascertained; it has been suggested to be from the proper name Jaques, Jakes; or from Jakke, `Jack', quasi Jakkes, `Jack's'. (`Gakehouse' in 1438 Tintinhull Churchw. Acc. (Som. Rec. Soc.) p. 179, is an editorial misreading of `Bakehouse'.)] 1. a. A privy. 153. in Ellis Orig. Lett. Ser. iii. III. 84 The Iaques was very well doon. 1538 Inv. in J. W. Clark Barnwell Introd. 24 The jakes of the dorter. 1549 Bale Journ. Leland Pref. B j, A great nombre of them whych purchased those superstycyouse mansyons, reserued of those Lybrarie bokes, some to serue theyr iakes, some to scoure theyr candlestyckes. 1552 Huloet, Siege, iacques, bogard, or draught, latrina. 1570 Levins Manip. 12/13 Iake, forica. 1596 Harington Metam. Ajax Pref. (1814) 14 Because I will write of a Jakes. 1620 Naworth Househ. Bk. 145 To a tyller for tylling the jacks, vjd. 1634 Documents agst. Prynne (Camden) 12 They..dragged his carckesse throughe the cittye, and cast it into the common jakes. 1649 R. Hodges Plain Direct. 12 Let the hous bee made a jakes for Mr. Jaques. 1657 Manchester Crt. Leet Rec. (1887) IV. 202 Noe close stoole, Jackes, Carrion or garbage be cast vpon the Ackers Middinge. 1701 C. Wolley Jrnl. New York (1860) 26 The more unhealthful it may prove, by reason of Jaques, Dunghills and other excrementitious stagnations. 1727 P. Walker Life of Peden in Biogr. Presb. (1827) I. 144 He [Arius] went..into a common Jack and purg'd out all his Inwards. 1788 V. Knox Winter Even. I. ii. xv. 211 His book is a nasty book, and fit only for the jakes. 1855 Kingsley Westw. Ho (1861) 168 The fox..that..jumped down a jakes to escape the hounds.1913 L. Woolf Village in Jungle iv. 54 The headman's brother is to marry a sweeper of jakes! 1922 Joyce Ulysses 68 He kicked open the crazy door of the jakes. 1969 Listener 26 June 902/3 He is at his best when not occupied with symbols..but concerned to tell how the keeper of an `underground jakes' mistakes a police stool-pigeon for a real poof. b. transf. and fig. 1579 Tomson Calvin's Serm. Tim. 967/1 What vermine, I pray you, is there of Monkes, and Priestes, and all that Cleargie?..that filthie and stinking iaxe hath filled the world so full. 1637 Gillespie Eng. Pop. Cerem. Ep. B iij, Cast forth as things accursed into the Iakes of eternall detestation. 1660 Life & Death Mrs. Rump 2 Hell..that stinking poysonous place called the Ile of Jaqueses. 1701 De Foe True-born Eng. 194 We have been Europe's Sink, the Jakes where she Voids all her Offal Out-cast Progeny. 1753 Smollett Ct. Fathom (1784) 13/1 Who eagerly explore the jakes of Rabelais, for amusement. 1829 Bentham Petit. Justice 173 The jakes, of late so notorious by the name of the Secondary's Office in the city of London. 2. Excrement; filth. s.w. dial. 1847–78 Halliw., Jakes..applied in Devon to any kind of filth or litter. 1880 in East & West Cornw. Glossaries. 1886 in Elworthy W. Somerset Word-book. 3. attrib. and Comb., as jakes door, jakes-like adj.; jakes-barreller, jakes-farmer, jakes-man, a man employed to clean out privies; so jakes-farming; jakes-house = jakes. 1596 Nashe Saffron Walden 155 Like a *iakes barreller and a Gorbolone. 1557–8 Louth Rec. (1891) 110 One locke to the *Jakes dore. 1591 Percivall Sp. Dict., Privadero, a *iakes farmer. a1618 Sylvester Tobacco Battered 267 Iakes-farmers, Fidlers, Ostlers, Oysterers. 1639 Horn & Rob. Gate Lang. Unl. lviii. §624 The common draught-house..which the jakes-farmer..makes cleane. 1577 tr. Bullinger's Decades (1592) 890 A doonghill God,..a god of the *iakeshouse. 1606 Sylvester Du Bartas ii. iv. i. David 1251 Flames from his eies, from's mouth coms *Iakes-like fumes. 1630 Davenant Cruel Brother Wks. (1673) 475 On that branch appears a Hang-man, Then a *Jakes-man, then, a Tinker. On Tue Jan 3 14:56:13 EST 2006, plalonde@telus.net wrote: > > On 3-Jan-06, at 12:07 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > If it is a Gnot-thingy and it is only connecting to Google, why would > > they muck with AJAX when they can use a file protocol? > > User-base and user-acceptability. > The user base comes from people already running AJAX boxes. > User acceptability comes from addressing a key shortcoming of Gnot. > I like Gnot --- I don't think Rob has gotten nearly the recognition > from the HCI community on this interface breakthrough and interfaces- > for-programmers in general --- but I continue to doubt that the > public is ready to put all their files on a remote server without > being able to get to them when the umbilicus is severed. Servers > make people anxious; by adding local disk Google can ease that while > still mirroring people's data on their network/computer. Gmail was > just the start of that particular slippery slope. > > Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 20:10 ` jmk @ 2006-01-03 20:33 ` Christoph Lohmann 2006-01-09 7:21 ` Gorka guardiola 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Christoph Lohmann @ 2006-01-03 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Good day. Ajax is a bit more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax But it seems to be related to Bell Labs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Nike Sincerely, Christoph ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 20:10 ` jmk 2006-01-03 20:33 ` Christoph Lohmann @ 2006-01-09 7:21 ` Gorka guardiola 2006-01-09 8:25 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2006-01-09 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 1/3/06, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com <jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > I was about to ask what AJAX was, since it's clearly none of the > three I'm familar with. However, the OED is illuminating: There is the little Ajax, son of Oileus and the great Ajax, son of Telamon... -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-09 7:21 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2006-01-09 8:25 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2006-01-09 14:30 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-09 8:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> I was about to ask what AJAX was, since it's clearly none of the >> three I'm familar with. However, the OED is illuminating: > > There is the little Ajax, son of Oileus and the great Ajax, son of Telamon... Lets not forget Ajax® the toilet bowl cleaner. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-09 8:25 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2006-01-09 14:30 ` andrey mirtchovski 2006-01-09 14:32 ` Sape Mullender 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2006-01-09 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs and the dutch football team. > Lets not forget Ajax(r) the toilet bowl cleaner. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-09 14:30 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2006-01-09 14:32 ` Sape Mullender 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Sape Mullender @ 2006-01-09 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Or Ajax, the Unix system call server for Amoeba. > and the dutch football team. > >> Lets not forget Ajax(r) the toilet bowl cleaner. >> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? 2006-01-03 17:25 ` jmk 2006-01-03 17:31 ` Bruce Ellis 2006-01-03 17:46 ` Dan Cross @ 2006-01-03 20:04 ` lucio 2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: lucio @ 2006-01-03 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > The question is why would they do that? Unless I'm paying too little attention, I think Google may be looking at narrowing the functionality of the "appliance" to only a few applications they believe are in great demand. It would mirror the success of the iPod (MP3 über alles) as the "do one thing well" device. Apple are unlikely to be getting a destructive number of support calls from iPod users and that is one issue the Register article seems to be in disagreement with my impressions. >From this remote corner I may be getting a very poor image, but maybe not. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] The mother-of-all-gnot? @ 2006-01-05 16:15 jmk 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-01-05 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/04/google_denies_pc/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
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