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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 484be6e0-14c7-11ef-8289-5c82fc8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZTA1MWYyMzBmMjY1NmJiYi1NOGExY2Q5ZjFjMDY3OWVkYzNjOTE2?= =?UTF-8?B?ZWI1Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M8a1cd9f1c0679edc3c916eb5:1:yAR-OUkGjSe6zEV5Hfwj6UaXe5jY-3R9Wod7nkkGhEA On Sat, May 18, 2024, at 00:51, Kurt H Maier wrote: > I love this article very much. Unhelpful, bossy blowhards should > experience exactly these emotions. My favorite part was the accusation > of "cancel culture," which I have learned is Boomer code for > "accountability." They really hate that shit! I'm pleased it got a conversation going. The topic needed to be addressed. = I took it down as I realized that when dealing with others expressing narci= ssistic tendencies, the article would not have any impact on their behavior= anyway. I think I can see now who the narcissists are, as they double down= on their abusive behavior. Abusers often don't realize they're abusing an= yone. However, victims of their abuse do recognize it.=20 > If 9front has constructed a culture where someone who calls themselves > "Innovator Harnessing the Power of Open Source: Transforming Businesses, > Empowering Solutions" does not feel welcome, then I am profoundly > satsified with that culture, and commend everyone involved in its > creation. I fed my resume into an LLM and it suggested that tagline. I was amused and= used it.=20=20=20 > Anyway, just for the record, nobody in the 9front project has any ill > will toward 9legacy. Technical concerns like p9sk1, yes, but everyone > agrees there should be *more* Plan 9 out there, not less. We keep > suggesting that people fork 9front as well, and make 9front Suit And Tie > Edition, Empowering Harnessed Transformative Innovations, with all of > the technical goodies and none of the humor or fun, but nobody seems to > have the drive to make that happen. I looked at behaviors and outcomes when making that assessment. > If anyone wants help bootstrapping such a project, please let me know > and I'll help however I can. The existence of something like that might > help deflect all the unfunded mandates people keep trying to demand of > the 9front project, and create a nice home for the sorts of people whose > primary qualifications are that they like to watch and they've been > watching for decades. 9legacy can use a hand. 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