why not just hack rio and see how well it works out? put the patch somewhere for others to try. hacked a new piemenu patch that allows sub menus (have put the hidden windows in a sub menu so that the positions of the items in the pie doesnt change depending on the hidden windows) and compacter layout algo. so just do it... i would prefer when the arrow keys start a new instance of games/catclock btw. mutch more convinient :) for scrolling you can use the mouse... this is mutch more consitant.... keyboard should be for text and catclocks! -- cinap