From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <775b8d190611141022i7c95417fr65b7842369a53d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:22:50 +1100 From: "Bruce Ellis" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60611141010x257ab08encccda28e14f8df2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <13426df10611140525k68c31de1s525c816957352836@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10611140544i5d4d2928nea0d64cd955a3b38@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e60611141010x257ab08encccda28e14f8df2@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: dfa7c59c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Berlioz recounts his first sighting of orchestral velum. "oh what wonderful music can be written on this ..." I had a similar reaction when I first sat in front of a blit, and rob couldn't drag me away from it. 23 years later I still embrace the simplicity. A UI that isn't in your face. I'd bannish the ctrl-key but sometimes you wanta reboot. brucee On 11/15/06, David Leimbach wrote: > On 11/14/06, ron minnich wrote: > > On 11/14/06, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > > who said we have to be like the rest of the world. i thought the > > > point of plan 9 was to be different. the rest of the world uses sockets > > > and nfs, too. ;-) > > > > ;-) taken :-) > > > > we have to be, not just different, but better. Some aspects of Plan 9 > > strike me as different for difference's sake. I don't see a point to > > it. > > I didn't immediately either. However I've been organizing my data in > hierarchies thanks to the Unix filesystem for a long long time now, > people are starting to realize that searching for data based on > metadata and getting fuzzy results is sometimes better when you have > 92 Terrabytes of data in your iMac. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but > you get my point I'd hope. > > I think a lot of the way editors were written in the 80s was due to > the fact that people probably didn't really "get" the mouse the way I > think it was intended to be uhm... gotten. > > If you look back at the englebart demos, I see a lot of things that > make me think more of Acme than emacs or vi. I also kind of want a > chording keyboard on my left now as a result. > > The necessary momentum to make people change their minds on some > things can be really difficult to achieve, and sometimes the effort to > learn something better does distract from the focus of getting work > done. In effect better becomes the enemy of good enough (Voltaire?) > > So that's why people still use Fortran on giant MPI clusters :-). And > why Lisp will never take over the world, and why Acme will always be > subject to patches to make cursors move with arrow keys. > > I think it's just human nature. >