[9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[ron minnich]

reminiscent of the 'free your mind Luke' discussion a few years ago on
indents in code and Acme and fonts and  ...

I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
occasional python 'unindent' error. You may think those columns are
aligned, but that's just the proportional font showing.

Guess I gotta find a fixed font for editing in acme.

:-=)

ron

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Russ Cox]

> reminiscent of the 'free your mind Luke' discussion a few years ago on
> indents in code and Acme and fonts and  ...
>
> I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
> occasional python 'unindent' error. You may think those columns are
> aligned, but that's just the proportional font showing.
>
> Guess I gotta find a fixed font for editing in acme.

You can toggle a window into and out of fixed width mode
by typing Font in the tag and then executing it (middle click).

Also, as long as the lines only contain leading spaces you should see
alignment the same in the variable-width font -- the width of a space
is still constant. It is just a smaller constant in the variable-width font,
so sometimes it is hard to see whether you are looking at six spaces or seven.

Also, try acme -a.  It really helps in cases like these.
It takes about a day to get used to, but then you won't go anywhere without it.

Russ

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
> occasional python 'unindent' error.

does python require a character in the 6th column for line
continuation?  perhaps somebody could write ratpy (by analogy to
ratfor) to work around these limitations.

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Bruce Ellis]

i certainly hope it does.  otherwise they have to make up another
reason for such insanity.

brucee

On 1/5/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
> > I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
> > occasional python 'unindent' error.
>
> does python require a character in the 6th column for line
> continuation?  perhaps somebody could write ratpy (by analogy to
> ratfor) to work around these limitations.
>
>

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Gorka guardiola]

¿Isn't cut & paste fun in python?, specially if you have half of the
files with code
indented with tabs and the other half with spaces like the Xen stuff did
the last time I looked into it. Invisible syntax rocks!!.


On 1/5/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> reminiscent of the 'free your mind Luke' discussion a few years ago on
> indents in code and Acme and fonts and  ...
>
> I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
> occasional python 'unindent' error. You may think those columns are
> aligned, but that's just the proportional font showing.
>
> Guess I gotta find a fixed font for editing in acme.
-- 
- curiosity sKilled the cat

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Darrell Stitt]

mixing tabs and spaces is kind of like hitting your head against the 
wall: causes unnecessary headaches.

the solution? don't do that.

You either chase semicolons and {} in C or just make the whitespace neat 
in python.

Gorka guardiola wrote:
> ¿Isn't cut & paste fun in python?, specially if you have half of the
> files with code
> indented with tabs and the other half with spaces like the Xen stuff did
> the last time I looked into it. Invisible syntax rocks!!.
> 
> 
> On 1/5/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> reminiscent of the 'free your mind Luke' discussion a few years ago on
>> indents in code and Acme and fonts and  ...
>>
>> I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the
>> occasional python 'unindent' error. You may think those columns are
>> aligned, but that's just the proportional font showing.
>>
>> Guess I gotta find a fixed font for editing in acme.

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Brantley Coile]

I use /lib/font/bit/pelm/unicode.8.font for -f and -F.

What retrograde reasoning led to abandoning free form input
to a parser.

(That's not meant to be demeaning to thee Python folks, but
what else can you call being column aware in a parser but
retrograde.)

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[geoff]

I believe the intent was to force indentation to match block
structure, in reaction to badly-formatted code in other languages.

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Paul Lalonde]

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It certainly is reactionary.
"Hateful in the eyes of God" is how I've come to see it.

On 5-Jan-07, at 9:44 AM, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:

> I believe the intent was to force indentation to match block
> structure, in reaction to badly-formatted code in other languages.
>

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Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Gorka guardiola]

On 1/5/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> I believe the intent was to force indentation to match block
> structure, in reaction to badly-formatted code in other languages.
>

The way to hell is paved with good intentions :-). Anyway, at least they
should have chosen tabs OR spaces. I agree in indenting right, but
syntax should be visible.


--
- curiosity sKilled the cat

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[mattmobile]

You could edit the font file to have visible spaces & tabs.

I always indent with tabs, that way one tab corresponds with one indent. Anything else needs an excuse.

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

[Brantley Coile]

> You could edit the font file to have visible spaces & tabs.

Is this the first purposal for `dark-space.' :)