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Date: Sat,  5 May 2007 15:08:53 +1000
From: "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] what a surprise
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i have never corded. i just need a mouse that has 3 buttons to do my work.
i grabbed a couple in paris at FNAC 'cause they were obviosly stuff they
couldn't sell.  they were a few euros each.

chord away.  it's a personal choice.

brucee

On 5/5/07, W B Hacker <wbh@conducive.org> wrote:
> Steve Simon wrote:
> >> In particular, to be at all effective with rio (and especially acme)
> >> you need to be a capable command-line user and understand how to
> >> compose those primitives.
> >
> > I think this is true, however I do think there is a class of user who writes
> > applescript macros and Windows BAT or even VB who can relate to rc scripts
> > and acme/sam/rio.
> >
> > Mainstream computer users who can appreciate the plan9 GUI environment are
> > not common but they do exist.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
>
> Counterpoint:
>
> I'll take the first as stipulated - IF qualifed with:
>
> '... and have learned in, or adapted to, the acme/rio environment.'
>
> IOW 'the appropriate sort of' capable CLI user..
>
>
> But IMNSHO, the exact opposite applies to paragraph two!
>
> - the more familiar with *any other* CLI environment, (possible exception of
> Oberon/Aos) the *more difficult* it is to adapt to acme/rio.
>
> Or to accept the need to do, or value of, so doing. It just isn't immjediately
> obvious as to WHY SO.
>
> A person with no significant CLI 'habits' to alter/unlearn would generally have
> an easier time learning acme/rio from a cold start than your exemplary
> 'exeprienced' CLI'er. As was once the stregth of a Mac vs a 'pee sea'.
>
> Too much to 'shed' before learning a new paradigm.
>
> I don't think acme/rio vs, for example the comparably text-based, cut 'n paste
> to-execute 'commands-from anywhere usage' in native Oberon / Aos are anywhere
> near as different as Chinese and English (which are processed by entirely
> different parts of the brain - written OR spoken)..
>
> BUT .. the *apparent* 'wrong handedness' of acme/rio vs 'all others' is a
> barrier, even to natively ambidextrous folk (ich).
>
> Learning 9'ish mouse-chording and the rest of acme/rio just to explore 'plumber'
> and such may constitute as important and necessary step to a better productivity
> 'fit' for Plan9 [1] as adapting to RPN was for forth ... but barrier these are
> to the newbie.
>
> As with Chinese, English, Arabic, or Finnish - small children seem to have no
> problem learning at about the same age. So it isn't about what we can or cannot
> learn, or even about works or doesn't work.
>
> It is about what best fits the local environment.
>
> ;-)
>
> JM2CW
>
> Bill Hacker
>
> [1] I have come to view acme/rio & chording as an IDE suite specific to
> productive 9'ish devel - on which score I am not able to fault it - nor care to try.
>
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