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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:57:41 +1100
From: "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing
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and take it all in.  gcc texi is larger than the kenc source.

i know which is easier to read.

brucee

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
> > I really find it hard to believe that the best intellects in computing
> > are incapable of stemming the tide.
>
> I'm not sure they're aware it's an issue (CS professor and research types).
>
> > As for P9GCC, its scope fairly exceeds (this) one person's
> > capabilities.  Just looking at "binutils" and "bfd", without having
> > the slightest idea what their real intent might be and how to apply it
> > to P9GCC, then finding wonderful snippets such as
>
> Binutils are the things for dealing with binaries: as, ld, nm are
> the primary ones. They're built on top of BFD (Binary File Descriptor)
> which is essentially an object-oriented way of looking at object
> file formats; the tools can be configured to be cross platform
> and even convert an object file in say, a.out format to COFF or
> from COFF to ELF, and so on.
>
> GDB uses the same framework so that it can be cross-platform
> debugger.
>
> I suspect you need to teach the binutils ('as') how to write the Plan 9
> object file format, but it may be enough to teach GCC how to write
> Plan 9 x86 assembler and then assemble it.
>
> > Nevermind having
> > to use my NetBSD server to read it and needing to learn a whole new
> > documentation reading package to do it.
>
> The 'info' reader is nothing to write home about, although the Texinfo
> documentation language is one of the best markup languages I've ever
> used. (I've written whole books in troff, Docbook SGML / XML and Texinfo,
> and I'd take Texinfo any day.)
>
> The best way to read Texinfo doc is to run
>
>        makeinfo --no-split --hmtl file.texi
>
> which produces one gignatic HTML file from the Texinfo source, and
> then use a web browser to read it.
>
> Another alternative is to use texi2pdf and then use a PDF viewer,
> but I suspect that HTML will meet your needs the best.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Arnold
>