Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[ericvh]

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ah come on, PDFs are so 2002, where's the you tube video?

-eric


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Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Jeff Sickel]

A suggestion for the next app to be supported in linuxemu: DjVu.

Since we don't have a C++ compiler outside of older versions of gcc,
getting a linux version of DjVuLibre up and running would be fantastic.

-jas

On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:09 PM, ericvh@gmail.com wrote:

> ah come on, PDFs are so 2002, where's the you tube video?
>
> -eric

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Bruce Ellis]

I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.

brucee

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:09 AM,  <ericvh@gmail.com> wrote:
> ah come on, PDFs are so 2002, where's the you tube video?
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> -eric
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Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Dan Cross]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.

Dude, don't tempt me.  When (if?) I (ever?) get off of active duty, I
might do a youtube video on troff.  I know that's not quite what you
were saying, but it'd be hilarious.

        - Dan C.

(ps- Bruce, let me know when you'll be stateside again.)

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Pietro Gagliardi]

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On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.
>
> Dude, don't tempt me.  When (if?) I (ever?) get off of active duty, I
> might do a youtube video on troff.  I know that's not quite what you
> were saying, but it'd be hilarious.
>
>        - Dan C.
>
> (ps- Bruce, let me know when you'll be stateside again.)
>

If I made it, it wouldn't be on youtube (I don't want to give up my
rights to the video). But I would definitely give it to you, the groff
guys, and the Heirloom guys.

How is this to start:

	"This video will teach you troff. What is troff? troff is a document
preparation system, much like TeX or Microsoft Word. troff is one of
the first of these systems to support fonts in italic and drawing on
the page. It was developed by the late Joe Ossanna and is the latest
and newest in a long line of document programs.
	troff is most like TeX in that the document is a text file containing
words with formatting commands mixed in. This means you'll have to get
used to the command line.
	Three primary versions of troff are used today. The official version,
based of Ossanna's work, is in the Plan 9 from Bell Labs operating
system. The most common one is groff, a version made for the GNU
project. There is also Heirloom troff, based off the ones by
OpenSolaris. All three are free software.
	So as you can see, troff is a Unix tool. But if you are on Windows,
don't despair: there are ports of these tools to Windows. I will be
running Plan 9 for my demo.

	Let's start by creating a simple document. Create a new text file:

		> first_troff

and edit it:

		acme first_troff

Now let's type a few words:

		hello, world

Save your work. In my case, I middle-click the Put at the top.
	Now comes the fun part. In Plan 9, to preview the document, you say

		troff first_troff | proof

or

		troff first_troff | page

I will use page. With GNU, you convert to a PostScript file and open
it with an image viewer:

		troff first_troff | grops > first_troff.ps

(Heirloom goes here.)"


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Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[john]

> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.
>>
>> Dude, don't tempt me.  When (if?) I (ever?) get off of active duty, I
>> might do a youtube video on troff.  I know that's not quite what you
>> were saying, but it'd be hilarious.
>>
>>        - Dan C.
>>
>> (ps- Bruce, let me know when you'll be stateside again.)
>>
>
> If I made it, it wouldn't be on youtube (I don't want to give up my
> rights to the video). But I would definitely give it to you, the groff
> guys, and the Heirloom guys.
>
> How is this to start:
>
> 	"This video will teach you troff. What is troff? troff is a document
> preparation system, much like TeX or Microsoft Word. troff is one of
> the first of these systems to support fonts in italic and drawing on
> the page. It was developed by the late Joe Ossanna and is the latest
> and newest in a long line of document programs.
> 	troff is most like TeX in that the document is a text file containing
> words with formatting commands mixed in. This means you'll have to get
> used to the command line.
> 	Three primary versions of troff are used today. The official version,
> based of Ossanna's work, is in the Plan 9 from Bell Labs operating
> system. The most common one is groff, a version made for the GNU
> project. There is also Heirloom troff, based off the ones by
> OpenSolaris. All three are free software.
> 	So as you can see, troff is a Unix tool. But if you are on Windows,
> don't despair: there are ports of these tools to Windows. I will be
> running Plan 9 for my demo.
>
> 	Let's start by creating a simple document. Create a new text file:
>
> 		> first_troff
>
> and edit it:
>
> 		acme first_troff
>
> Now let's type a few words:
>
> 		hello, world
>
> Save your work. In my case, I middle-click the Put at the top.
> 	Now comes the fun part. In Plan 9, to preview the document, you say
>
> 		troff first_troff | proof
>
> or
>
> 		troff first_troff | page
>
> I will use page. With GNU, you convert to a PostScript file and open
> it with an image viewer:
>
> 		troff first_troff | grops > first_troff.ps
>
> (Heirloom goes here.)"


A video seems like a rather foolish place to try and explain troff,
since the whole process is a lot of text input and a couple commands.
There exist plenty of documents on writing troff AND they avoid the
cutesy "Ok now let's do this...  here's what I did...  Now the fun
part" form.


John

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Bruce Ellis]

No! I don't want a video tute on troff. Just a video of you typing in
the troff. It would certainly be better to look at then your idea of
how plan9 works.

brucee

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:17 PM,  <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.
>>>
>>> Dude, don't tempt me.  When (if?) I (ever?) get off of active duty, I
>>> might do a youtube video on troff.  I know that's not quite what you
>>> were saying, but it'd be hilarious.
>>>
>>>        - Dan C.
>>>
>>> (ps- Bruce, let me know when you'll be stateside again.)
>>>
>>
>> If I made it, it wouldn't be on youtube (I don't want to give up my
>> rights to the video). But I would definitely give it to you, the groff
>> guys, and the Heirloom guys.
>>
>> How is this to start:
>>
>>       "This video will teach you troff. What is troff? troff is a document
>> preparation system, much like TeX or Microsoft Word. troff is one of
>> the first of these systems to support fonts in italic and drawing on
>> the page. It was developed by the late Joe Ossanna and is the latest
>> and newest in a long line of document programs.
>>       troff is most like TeX in that the document is a text file containing
>> words with formatting commands mixed in. This means you'll have to get
>> used to the command line.
>>       Three primary versions of troff are used today. The official version,
>> based of Ossanna's work, is in the Plan 9 from Bell Labs operating
>> system. The most common one is groff, a version made for the GNU
>> project. There is also Heirloom troff, based off the ones by
>> OpenSolaris. All three are free software.
>>       So as you can see, troff is a Unix tool. But if you are on Windows,
>> don't despair: there are ports of these tools to Windows. I will be
>> running Plan 9 for my demo.
>>
>>       Let's start by creating a simple document. Create a new text file:
>>
>>               > first_troff
>>
>> and edit it:
>>
>>               acme first_troff
>>
>> Now let's type a few words:
>>
>>               hello, world
>>
>> Save your work. In my case, I middle-click the Put at the top.
>>       Now comes the fun part. In Plan 9, to preview the document, you say
>>
>>               troff first_troff | proof
>>
>> or
>>
>>               troff first_troff | page
>>
>> I will use page. With GNU, you convert to a PostScript file and open
>> it with an image viewer:
>>
>>               troff first_troff | grops > first_troff.ps
>>
>> (Heirloom goes here.)"
>
>
> A video seems like a rather foolish place to try and explain troff,
> since the whole process is a lot of text input and a couple commands.
> There exist plenty of documents on writing troff AND they avoid the
> cutesy "Ok now let's do this...  here's what I did...  Now the fun
> part" form.
>
>
> John
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Pietro Gagliardi]

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Sorry, it also covers Runes.

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[9fans] Programming tutorial draft

[Pietro Gagliardi]

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This only covers files, processes, and little else. I began a part on
segments, but I don't know if it will stay. I haven't touched it since
August, but I plan to start it again perhaps in a few days.

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