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From: Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Cc: "lucio@proxima.alt.za" <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
Subject: Re: [9fans] MIPS LSB compiler
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:43:32 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <775b8d190911151443h706388edw1b23dbb146eaa47e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13426df10911151425h6a9628b2t9cc321c72c519d15@mail.gmail.com>

Good work indeed, Ron. All those bits and they all fit together!

I guess it also solves the Fortran etc. for Plan9 issue.

brucee

On 11/16/09, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
> > I'd be very interested in an ELF based cross-compilation to plan9.  I have
> > this many-core IA part that I would desperately love to boot a nicer OS on
> > than we currently have (memory footprint, scheduling, vm architecture,
> > syscall performance, remote exposure), but the principal application that
> > has to run on it is in C++.
> >
> > If there was a clear path, I might even be able to shake loose some
> > resources for it.
>
> on blue gene I use the IBM toolchain on Linux to produce static elf
> binaries. Since the non-Linux kernel on Blue Gene uses the Linux
> system call interface, these are in fact just Linux binaries compiled
> to the Linux 2.0 system call interface (plus some wacky system call
> numbers in the 1024 and up range).  I start these Linux/ELF binaries
> up on BG/P on Plan 9 using a support program that switches the process
> between plan 9 mode and linux mode. The support program on plan 9 uses
> libmach to crack the binaries and start them up. I have an in-kernel
> linux system call emulation device that lets me run those binaries. I
> support a subset of the system calls -- e.g., just enough of futex to
> make it go on BG/P -- but extending it is easy.
>
> I chose the in-kernel support as opposed to existing linuxemu support
> on Plan 9 for the usual HPC reason: when you're r unning the app
> nothing else should run.
>
> What's more interesting: I also build Plan 9 binaries on Linux/ELF
> that then run under the Linux emulation environment on Plan 9. Why the
> emulation environment? Well, the linux toolchain insists on building
> in the system calls. So I have a Linux/ELF, that does a few Linux
> system calls, that I drectly map to their Plan 9 equivalent
> (open/read/write/close -- pretty direct). Since pretty much everything
> I need to do on Plan 9 involves those 4, I've really got a native Plan
> 9 binary that happens to want to talk Linux system call numbers ...
> This way, I can run the *same* binary on Linux and Plan 9, and get
> very direct performance comparisons. And, yes, in some cases, Plan 9
> is winning :-)
>
> Anyway all that code is available.
>
> ron
>
>



  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-15 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-13  4:34 lucio
2009-11-13  5:12 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-11-13  6:01   ` John Barham
2009-11-13 17:48   ` Tim Newsham
2009-11-13 18:19     ` Iruata Souza
2009-11-13 18:36       ` Tim Newsham
2009-11-15 16:52   ` lucio
2009-11-15 17:26     ` Paul Lalonde
2009-11-15 22:25       ` ron minnich
2009-11-15 22:43         ` Bruce Ellis [this message]
2009-11-16  4:34         ` lucio
2009-11-16 10:11           ` Bruce Ellis
2009-11-16  4:28       ` lucio
2009-11-13 19:41 ` Andre Guenther
2009-11-15 17:55   ` lucio

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