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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] go to this site
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:11:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <784983fe8bc567adb9bc38032483ab0b@coraid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AE750B0.4020609@authentrus.com>

> >> There is a lot of residual "management doesn't understand networks and
> >> databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them"
> >> attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background
> >> has changed. While it's true that "cloud computing" is a nonsense
> >> phrase, there are reasons why server outsourcing gains traction.
> >
> > if management really does understand things as well as
> > the it guys, then the it guys were unnecessary to begin with.
>
> Let's parse that.
[...]
> > i would hope that anyone hiring someone in such a
> > position would be interested in their input!
>
> C'mon, that's a "when did you stop beating your wife" comment. Of course

why doesn't your argument work if you switch from a
mangement to a technical perspective?  i was just
turning your argument around.  why would you not
want to listen to IT, unless they are getting in the way
and not doing their job?  that's an argument
that runs both ways.

my assumption is that if management is doing its job, then the
problem of IT guy making policy decisions, if it happens, will
be a resolvable problem.

the argument i see you makeing is in essence that fixing management
is impracticable.  i may be cynical, but i don't subscribe to that world view.

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-27 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<4AE70F74.7000505@authentrus.com>
2009-10-27 15:23 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-27 15:50   ` ron minnich
2009-10-27 17:32     ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-27 18:07   ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-27 18:59     ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-27 19:57       ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-27 20:11         ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-10-27 20:33           ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-27 20:36           ` Wes Kussmaul
     [not found] <<3e1162e60910270826m281a7a9awba6ea117b7351605@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-27 15:33 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-27 15:39   ` David Leimbach
2009-10-27  0:00 ron minnich
2009-10-26 20:33 ` Jacob Todd
2009-10-27  0:38 ` Joseph Stewart
2009-10-27  0:47   ` Jeff Sickel
2009-10-27  0:41 ` dave.l
2009-10-27  0:50 ` Geoffrey Avila
2009-10-27  1:52 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2009-10-27  2:39   ` ron minnich
2009-10-27 13:03     ` Eris Discordia
2009-10-27  3:21   ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-10-27  3:47     ` ron minnich
2009-10-27  3:49       ` ron minnich
2009-10-27 15:19         ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-27 15:26           ` David Leimbach
2009-10-27 18:42         ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-27  4:06       ` W B Hacker
2009-10-27  5:42 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-10-27  8:00 ` tlaronde
2009-10-27  8:12   ` lucio

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