From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:11:21 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <784983fe8bc567adb9bc38032483ab0b@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE750B0.4020609@authentrus.com> References: <4AE70F74.7000505@authentrus.com> <4AE736CE.1020609@authentrus.com> <4AE750B0.4020609@authentrus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] go to this site Topicbox-Message-UUID: 91ddf666-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > >> There is a lot of residual "management doesn't understand networks and > >> databases and operating systems so we will make decisions for them" > >> attitude out there, even where the reality of management's background > >> has changed. While it's true that "cloud computing" is a nonsense > >> phrase, there are reasons why server outsourcing gains traction. > > > > if management really does understand things as well as > > the it guys, then the it guys were unnecessary to begin with. > > Let's parse that. [...] > > i would hope that anyone hiring someone in such a > > position would be interested in their input! > > C'mon, that's a "when did you stop beating your wife" comment. Of course why doesn't your argument work if you switch from a mangement to a technical perspective? i was just turning your argument around. why would you not want to listen to IT, unless they are getting in the way and not doing their job? that's an argument that runs both ways. my assumption is that if management is doing its job, then the problem of IT guy making policy decisions, if it happens, will be a resolvable problem. the argument i see you makeing is in essence that fixing management is impracticable. i may be cynical, but i don't subscribe to that world view. - erik