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From: "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:56:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7871fcf50702261056t63ee03a6ra1d7e8cc36425377@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <807375EC-A1F8-4C53-A3D3-177087930410@telus.net>

On 2/26/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
> The fundamental issue with the GUI isn't one of prettiness.  It's one
> of naive/novice use.  Like the rest of Plan9, the GUI assumes an
> expert user.  But ever since the original Mac, the marketing message
> has been that GUIs are designed for instantaneous ease-of-use, and
> any training required is strictly application-centric instead of
> interaction-centric.

Depends what the GUI is an interface *to*.  As an interface to the OS,
rio works great without buttons and dialogs and menu bars.  Individual
graphical applications might have different natural interfaces.  (I've
heard nice things about the interface to inferno's debugger, for
example.)  And there's *lots* of "application-centric" to go around;
how many different things are meant by right-click, or click-and-drag,
in various applications?  Take many word processors, for example:
click-drag to select a block of text, then click-drag to move it.

If you're designing a program that needs a complicated UI, the
existence of "standard" GUI guidelines might help with the learning
curve.  Or they might get in the way of a better interface designed by
an interface expert (rarely the programmer, rob pike being the notable
exception).

--Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-26 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-25 14:32 ron minnich
2007-02-25 14:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-25 20:09     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 14:59 ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-25 15:50   ` fgergo
2007-02-25 22:34     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26  8:49       ` fgergo
2007-02-26  9:19         ` ron minnich
2007-02-26  9:53           ` Richard Miller
2007-02-26 11:47             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 22:18               ` cummij
2007-02-26 11:50           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-26 12:50           ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26 15:08             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 15:13               ` Lluís Batlle
2007-02-26 15:54               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-26 17:28                 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-02-26 18:56                   ` Joel C. Salomon [this message]
2007-02-26 18:58                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-02-27 16:08                   ` Salva Peiró
2007-02-26 18:12               ` John Floren
2007-02-26 18:39               ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 19:05                 ` John Floren
2007-02-26 19:38                   ` David Leimbach
2007-03-06 19:33               ` bride of excession
2007-03-06 20:27                 ` ron minnich
2007-03-06 21:56                   ` matt
2007-03-06 22:37                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-06 23:08                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:12                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-06 23:18                           ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  4:21                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  3:48                     ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:13                       ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:23                       ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  5:52                       ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:02                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  6:16                           ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:42                             ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  8:28                               ` Bakul Shah
2007-03-07 11:50                               ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:21                                 ` John Osborne
2007-03-07 22:47                                   ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-03-08  0:41                                   ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:31                                 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-03-07 13:47                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 14:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:05                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-07 18:38                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:06                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 18:30                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:55                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 20:34                               ` matt
2007-03-14 16:31                               ` bride of excession
2007-03-07  6:59                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-03-07  8:02                         ` csant
2007-03-07 10:04                           ` cej
2007-03-07 10:17                             ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 12:50                               ` Kenneth Long
2007-03-07 14:04                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 18:28                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-07 18:35                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:53                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-07 17:18                             ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 17:40                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 17:43                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-07 18:41                                   ` Robert Sherwood
2007-03-07 19:01                                     ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 19:03                                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08  1:16                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08  4:59                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08 15:02                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:32                                           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-08 10:11                                       ` cej
2007-03-08 14:03                                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-03-08 14:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:27                                 ` lucio
2007-03-08  0:28                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  0:45                                 ` don bailey
2007-03-08  1:48                                   ` geoff
2007-03-08  2:19                                     ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-08  8:32                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 15:03                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 15:24                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-08 16:33                                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  2:45                                     ` Anthony Sorace
2007-03-08 19:02                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08 19:41                                     ` Boris Maryshev
2007-03-08 21:02                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 21:55                                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-09  4:46                                           ` lucio
2007-03-13 13:38                                             ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-09  4:17                                         ` lucio
2007-03-09 11:31                                         ` [9fans] " app
2007-03-09 15:52                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-09 22:08                                             ` Elbing Miss
2007-03-09 22:43                                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-12  8:45                                   ` [9fans] " Dave Eckhardt
2007-03-12 10:06                                     ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 16:55                                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-12 17:37                                         ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 17:43                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-13 13:54                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-13 13:59                                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-14  4:05                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  4:26                                     ` Noah Evans
2007-03-14  4:33                                       ` lucio
2007-03-14  5:13                                         ` Noah Evans
2007-03-15 14:47                                           ` lucio
2007-03-15 17:57                                             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 18:10                                               ` lucio
2007-03-15 18:36                                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 19:28                                                   ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:20                                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-16  8:31                                                       ` Uriel
2007-03-15 23:53                                             ` Noah Evans
2007-03-16  4:41                                               ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:06                                                 ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-16 12:33                                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-16 14:13                                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-14  4:40                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  6:06                                       ` Gabriel Díaz
2007-03-14  9:29                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  9:57                                       ` matt
2007-03-14 12:52                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 18:34                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2007-03-08 18:44                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-06 22:23                   ` Robert Hibberdine
2007-03-06 22:28                   ` John Floren
2007-03-12 12:17                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-06 23:17                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:21                   ` geoff
2007-03-07  0:48                     ` John Floren
2007-02-26 14:32           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 15:19           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-03-14  5:21 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2007-03-14  9:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  6:15 YAMANASHI Takeshi

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