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[Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 896e7544-bbf7-11ee-8007-d4b1c883946f Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NMWVhMjFkMTY5NWFiYmQzZGJlMTAz?= =?UTF-8?B?OTJhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M1ea21d1695abbd3dbe10392a:1:HZYY1R-XdwZ7imahLtSHih4_zTxAUsReCqaWdO5oJZI Since the Plan 9 Foundation doesn't focus on technical aspects, Would the f= ormation of a Plan 9 Core Team be the next logical step? My understanding i= s the core team would decide technical direction and implementation. What a= re your thoughts? --vic On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, at 11:31, Don A. Bailey wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t think you realize that you have your entire emotional=20 > perception of this situation flipped.=20 > > This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT=E2=80=99s r= equest=20 > for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am=20 > I emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional=20 > responses for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly,=20 > neither should anyone here.=20 > > Who cares if I like 9front? I=E2=80=99m not against it, nor the developer= s. I=E2=80=99m=20 > simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal release. I=20 > personally believe that=E2=80=99s a bad move.=20 > > Don=E2=80=99t agree? Ok, so what? I=E2=80=99m one dude. And yet the gaggl= e of you=20 > people have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole,=20 > and waste my entire day. And because I won=E2=80=99t let you drag me into= it,=20 > and because I respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow=20 > think *I=E2=80=99m* the bad guy because I won=E2=80=99t devolve into your= world.=20 > > Geez guys seriously=E2=80=A6 go touch grass and have a life. Know what I = did=20 > today instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played=20 > with my son. I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked=20 > at deer outside. We listened to music.=20 > > All that because I didn=E2=80=99t waste my time with long bullshit respon= ses=20 > that wouldn=E2=80=99t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9front= being=20 > merged. Who cares?=20 > > Live your life, man.=20 > > > >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Misch wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFHow you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and i= t=E2=80=99s neither appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It=E2=80=99s = telling, as you say, that your take is to get defensive and, honestly, shit= ty. Emotional maturity may be lacking in general on the list but please do = not posture from some imagined moral high ground. It=E2=80=99s so tiring, j= ust do better. >>=20 >>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>>=20 >>> It=E2=80=99s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper t= antrum. A major problem with people=E2=80=99s perspective of 9front and the= current plan 9 community, honestly. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM, Jacob Moody wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>>>> I=E2=80=99m aware you=E2=80=99re a member of the foundation. >>>>>=20 >>>>> What I want I think I=E2=80=99ve made clear. I do not want to see a f= ormal release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I d= o not want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term =E2=80=9Cmainline= =E2=80=9D (9legacy / 9pio updated patch sets). I=E2=80=99d rather 9front st= ay its own thing. I=E2=80=99m certain there are a lot of relevant contribut= ions within 9front but I think its place is as its own niche system. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do you think = this temper tantrum you've been throwing on >>>> this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to work wit= h/for you? >>>> It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9front code) bu= t have no interest in making any effort >>>> yourself to make that a reality. >>>>=20 >>>> I await your "better" plan 9. >>>>=20 >>>> - moody >>>>=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M1ea21= d1695abbd3dbe10392a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription