* Re: [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 9:29 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
@ 2007-06-20 11:40 ` Anthony Sorace
2007-06-20 13:54 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-06-21 8:51 ` pavlovetsky
2007-06-20 14:14 ` pavlovetsky
` (3 subsequent siblings)
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From: Anthony Sorace @ 2007-06-20 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
/n/kfs is the conventional mount point for the previous
local-disk-backed file system on terminals and cpu servers; it's
likely just an issue of point it at wherever your file system is
*really* mounted, instead (or, just mount it on /n/kfs and skip the
changes).
however, and this is important, it is *very* *strongly* recommended
that you learn to use the system without X11 first. X11 is not part of
the distribution for a reason; that port is old and slow, and was
never heavily used. no program in Plan 9 depends on, or even wants,
X11 in any way. you will find it distracting and frustrating rather
than helpful if you aren't familiar with "real" Plan 9 first, as
you'll keep expecting things to be there which aren't.
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* Re: [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 11:40 ` Anthony Sorace
@ 2007-06-20 13:54 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-06-21 8:51 ` pavlovetsky
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From: Paweł Lasek @ 2007-06-20 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 6/20/07, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote:
> however, and this is important, it is *very* *strongly* recommended
> that you learn to use the system without X11 first. X11 is not part of
> the distribution for a reason; that port is old and slow, and was
> never heavily used. no program in Plan 9 depends on, or even wants,
> X11 in any way. you will find it distracting and frustrating rather
> than helpful if you aren't familiar with "real" Plan 9 first, as
> you'll keep expecting things to be there which aren't.
>
And if someone really wants X11, it might be more sensible to port
X.Org's kdrive using /dev/draw for framebuffer.... It might be easier
than getting that old port to be usable with modern X11 apps :-)
--
Paul Lasek
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* [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 11:40 ` Anthony Sorace
2007-06-20 13:54 ` Paweł Lasek
@ 2007-06-21 8:51 ` pavlovetsky
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From: pavlovetsky @ 2007-06-21 8:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Jun 20, 4:55 pm, pawel.la...@gmail.com (Pawe Lasek) wrote:
> On 6/20/07, Anthony Sorace <ano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > however, and this is important, it is *very* *strongly* recommended
> > that you learn to use the system without X11 first. X11 is not part of
> > the distribution for a reason; that port is old and slow, and was
> > never heavily used. no program in Plan 9 depends on, or even wants,
> > X11 in any way. you will find it distracting and frustrating rather
> > than helpful if you aren't familiar with "real" Plan 9 first, as
> > you'll keep expecting things to be there which aren't.
>
> And if someone really wants X11, it might be more sensible to port
> X.Org's kdrive using /dev/draw for framebuffer.... It might be easier
> than getting that old port to be usable with modern X11 apps :-)
>
> --
> Paul Lasek
Paul is right. It seems much more sensible to drop this antique thing
and port latest sources, in the end.
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* [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 9:29 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
2007-06-20 11:40 ` Anthony Sorace
@ 2007-06-20 14:14 ` pavlovetsky
2007-06-20 14:42 ` pavlovetsky
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: pavlovetsky @ 2007-06-20 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
My messages posted with delay and it looks a bit inadequate, sorry for
inconvenience.
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* [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 9:29 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
2007-06-20 11:40 ` Anthony Sorace
2007-06-20 14:14 ` pavlovetsky
@ 2007-06-20 14:42 ` pavlovetsky
2007-06-20 22:15 ` Steve Simon
2007-06-22 8:57 ` pavlovetsky
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From: pavlovetsky @ 2007-06-20 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Jun 20, 2:41 pm, ano...@gmail.com (Anthony Sorace) wrote:
> /n/kfs is the conventional mount point for the previous
> local-disk-backed file system on terminals and cpu servers; it's
> likely just an issue of point it at wherever your file system is
> *really* mounted, instead (or, just mount it on /n/kfs and skip the
> changes).
>
> however, and this is important, it is *very* *strongly* recommended
> that you learn to use the system without X11 first. X11 is not part of
> the distribution for a reason; that port is old and slow, and was
> never heavily used. no program in Plan 9 depends on, or even wants,
> X11 in any way. you will find it distracting and frustrating rather
> than helpful if you aren't familiar with "real" Plan 9 first, as
> you'll keep expecting things to be there which aren't.
I understand you perfectly. My idea was that with X installed it would
be easer to port other software that uses X server.
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* Re: [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 9:29 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2007-06-20 14:42 ` pavlovetsky
@ 2007-06-20 22:15 ` Steve Simon
2007-06-20 22:55 ` john
2007-06-22 8:57 ` pavlovetsky
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From: Steve Simon @ 2007-06-20 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Ok,
Installing the X11 iso on a fossil based file server.
# start the iso9660 filesystem server
9660srv
disable the 9fs command by binding echo over it
bind /386/bin/echo /rc/bin/9fs
# mount a psudo /n/kfs pointing to the root of your fossil filesystem
mount /srv/boot /n/kfs
# the below is from the standard X11 install instructions.
# mount the iso
mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /n/juke/X11.iso
# initialise the replica logs
/n/dist/X11.setup
# do the pull
replica/pull /n/dist/X11
# have coffee, even installing takes 10 mins...
-Steve
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* Re: [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 22:15 ` Steve Simon
@ 2007-06-20 22:55 ` john
2007-06-21 7:29 ` Steve Simon
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From: john @ 2007-06-20 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Ok,
>
> Installing the X11 iso on a fossil based file server.
>
> # start the iso9660 filesystem server
> 9660srv
>
> disable the 9fs command by binding echo over it
> bind /386/bin/echo /rc/bin/9fs
>
> # mount a psudo /n/kfs pointing to the root of your fossil filesystem
> mount /srv/boot /n/kfs
>
> # the below is from the standard X11 install instructions.
>
> # mount the iso
> mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /n/juke/X11.iso
>
> # initialise the replica logs
> /n/dist/X11.setup
>
> # do the pull
> replica/pull /n/dist/X11
>
> # have coffee, even installing takes 10 mins...
>
> -Steve
I went ahead and installed X11 just for the hell of it, but can
anybody tell me what actually comes with the distribution?
John
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* [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-20 9:29 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2007-06-20 22:15 ` Steve Simon
@ 2007-06-22 8:57 ` pavlovetsky
2007-06-22 9:40 ` Steve Simon
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From: pavlovetsky @ 2007-06-22 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Jun 21, 1:16 am, s...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote:
> Ok,
>
> Installing the X11 iso on a fossil based file server.
>
> # start the iso9660 filesystem server
> 9660srv
>
> disable the 9fs command by binding echo over it
> bind /386/bin/echo /rc/bin/9fs
>
> # mount a psudo /n/kfs pointing to the root of your fossil filesystem
> mount /srv/boot /n/kfs
>
> # the below is from the standard X11 install instructions.
>
> # mount the iso
> mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /n/juke/X11.iso
>
> # initialise the replica logs
> /n/dist/X11.setup
>
> # do the pull
> replica/pull /n/dist/X11
>
> # have coffee, even installing takes 10 mins...
>
> -Steve
I had different and, I am afraid, more crude aproach regarding the
part before mounting iso. Namely I did "bind / /n/kfs" and edited
replica configuration named X11 by replacing "fn clientmount { 9fs
kfs }" with "fn clientmount { status='' }". I extracted the contents
of X11.iso, edited replica configuration, and, in the end, my pull was
in the form "replica/pull /usr/anton/X11/X11". A hack, the value of
which is learning how the things work.
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* Re: [9fans] Re: X11 setup problem
2007-06-22 8:57 ` pavlovetsky
@ 2007-06-22 9:40 ` Steve Simon
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From: Steve Simon @ 2007-06-22 9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> I had different and, I am afraid, more crude aproach regarding the
> part before mounting iso. Namely I did "bind / /n/kfs" and edited
> replica configuration named X11 by replacing "fn clientmount { 9fs
> kfs }" with "fn clientmount { status='' }". I extracted the contents
> of X11.iso, edited replica configuration, and, in the end, my pull was
> in the form "replica/pull /usr/anton/X11/X11". A hack, the value of
> which is learning how the things work.
Working out how to do it yourself is never a hack it is A Good Thing™,
well done!
For I put a page on the wiki on installing X11, which probably applies
similarly to the other ISOs in /n/sources/extra but I haven't tested
them with this recipie.
-Steve
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