From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Rui Carmo In-Reply-To: <0D1DE354-BD92-4969-9AC7-F6ABA745EA95@yingmi.cn> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:06:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81111AFC-BFA1-4C66-8492-DDDFE25DDC9D@gmail.com> References: <7715F725-C18F-42C0-9169-A507F12BDD27@airmail.cc> <0D1DE354-BD92-4969-9AC7-F6ABA745EA95@yingmi.cn> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for? Topicbox-Message-UUID: d816be20-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I=E2=80=99m late to the thread, but this seems like a good point to step = in. I=E2=80=99m using plan9 on a quad-core Raspberry Pi as a sort of = universal terminal to manage some of my home machines, and recently = deleted the 9front VM I had on my home KVM server because even though = the programming model and Go support were nice, most of my day-to-day = work is on cloud solutions and there was no easy way to make those = co-exist with Plan9 usage. There were a few discussions in this thread around dev stacks, browsers, = etc., and my $0.02 on that is that I could probably work in Plan9 on a = daily basis _if_ it had a usable (i.e., all the warts including = JavaScript and fonts) web browser, but that the lack of alignment = (intended or otherwise) with Linux tools and app stacks (SSH, Node, = Python, Java) would make it very painful. Running a remote browser (which is what I do often in that Pi) sort of = works, but you never get the full benefits you=E2=80=99d get with a = native process. And lack of access to modern app stacks renders the = platform unattractive for mainstream development work. But what killed it for me was the need for chording (mouse or keys). = Using a modern trackpad on a MacBook or Surface device is a quantum leap = beyond using a mouse for general use, and the lack of a modernised Rio = with enough thoughtful design to overcome the differences in philosophy = is the first barrier to continued usage. Acme is something I miss on occasion, but modern GUI editors compensate = in other ways (at the expense of resource usage, etc., but with a = massive boost in productivity for me). Also, I=E2=80=99m typing this on = an iMac 5K with nearly unmatched font rendering and legibility (the only = thing that comes close is the Surface Pro alongside it). Visuals matter = a great deal. There is an unmatchable degree of purity in Plan9, but (even though the = diehards will stick their ground and claim it=E2=80=99s perfect to the = exclusion of other modern comforts) to coexist successfully it has to = provide more affordances. Kind Regards, R. > On 14 Jun 2018, at 04:53, =E5=88=98=E5=AE=87=E5=AE=9D = wrote: >=20 > Compared to "not for you", "don't care", "intend to not be = successful", I like more the topic of cat-v irc channel on freenode set = by aiju: "fun fact: you can use multiple operating systems at the same = time". >=20 > Certainly Plan 9 can't replace Linux/macOS/BSD/Windows, I'm still = curious its upper bound for a sensible daily usage, and the best = practice from you happy experienced Plan 9 users. >=20 > I checked mail headers in this mailing list, seems all use Apple Mail, = iPhone Mail, WebMail with AJAX, Gmail(a lot), ProtonMail, these emails = went through Postfix and Exim servers, probably on Linux. >=20 > In great harmony, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of = software on them. >=20 > Regards, > Yubao Liu >=20 >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro wrote: >>=20 >> I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something = it isn=E2=80=99t, rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the = FQA says, =E2=80=9CPlan 9 is not for you." >=20