Re: [9fans] NUMA

[erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>]

On Sun Jul 17 04:45:18 EDT 2011, bakul@bitblocks.com wrote:

> Also note that the ISA implementations these days are quite
> complex (perhaps even more than your typical program).  We
> don't see this complexty because it is all hidden behind a
> relatively simple ISA.  But remember the FOOF bug? Usually the
> vendor has a long errata list (typically only available on a
> need to know basis and only under NDA!). And usually they
> don't formally prove the implementation right; they just run
> zillions of test vectors! I bet you would be scandalized if
> you knew what they do :-)

i have the errata.  i've read them.  and i find them reassuring.
you might find that surprising, but the longer and more detailed
the errata, the longer and more intricate the testing was.  also
long errata sheets, especially of really arcane bugs indicate the
vendor isn't sweeping embarassing ones under the rug.  i've
seen parts with 2-3 errata that were just buggy.  they hadn't even
tested some large bits of functionality once!  on the other hand
some processors i work with have very long errata, but none of
them matter.  intel kindly makes the errata available to the public
for their gbe controllers.  e.g.
	http://download.intel.com/design/network/specupdt/322444.pdf
page 15, errata#10 is typical.  the spec was violated, but it is
difficult to imagine working hardware for which this would matter.

i can't speak for vendors on why errata is sometimes nda,
but i would imagine that the main fear is that the errata can
reveal too much about the implementation.  on the other hand,
many vendors have open errata.  i've yet to see need-to-know
errata.

by the way, proving an implementation correct seems simply
impossible.  many errata (perhaps like the one i mentioned)
come down to variations in the process that might not have
met the models.  and how would you prove that one of the
many physical steps in producing a chip correct anyway?

- erik