9fans - fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] "FAWN: Fast array of wimpy nodes" (was: Plan 9 - the next 20 years)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:48:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8420ff6c2b88f5b93b7a3e77aaf459eb@coraid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4f34febc0904200811i5675d962k7cf8fc05f6e93a2e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon Apr 20 11:13:01 EDT 2009, jbarham@gmail.com wrote:
> > could you explain how raid 5 relates to sata vs sas?
> > i can't see now it's anything but a non-sequitor.
>
> Here is the motivating real-world business case: You are in the movie
> post-production business and need > 50 TB of online storage at as low
> a price as possible with good performance and reliability.  7200 rpm
> SATA (currently ~15¢/GB on Newegg)

this example has nothing to do with raid.  if the object is to find the
lowest cost per gigabyte, enterprise sata drives are the cheeper option.
(it would make more sense to compare 7.2k sas and sata drives.  there
is also a premium on spindle speed.)

the original argument was that scsi is better than ata or sas is better
than sata (i'm not sure which); in my opinion, there are no facts
to justify either assertion.

> plus RAID narrows the performance
> and reliability of benefits of 15k rpm SAS (currently ~$1/GB) at a
> much lower cost.

without raid, such a configuration might be impossible to deal with.

most 15k drives are 73gb.  this means you would need 685 for 50tb.
the afr is probablly something like 0.15% - 0.25%.  this would mean you
will loose 1-2 drives/year.  (if you believe those rosy afr numbers.)

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-20 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-19  7:58 John Barham
2009-04-19 12:16 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-19 15:43   ` John Barham
2009-04-19 16:52     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 15:11       ` John Barham
2009-04-20 16:48         ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-04-19 14:27 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-04-19 20:11   ` tlaronde
2009-04-20 15:48 ` ron minnich
2009-04-20 17:15   ` Wes Kussmaul

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=8420ff6c2b88f5b93b7a3e77aaf459eb@coraid.com \
    --to=quanstro@coraid.com \
    --cc=9fans@9fans.net \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).