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From: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno
Date: Wed,  7 Mar 2007 17:16:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8492764B-39EC-43A6-8659-8E4AB7AC4E12@orthanc.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d846ee8c0703071041y41a5ec89mcf32b51270eacd0d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Robert Sherwood wrote:

> The interfaces are baffling.  As Master Shake said, "It's too  
> advanced to be compatible". Not just rio; I mean adding a user to a  
> system, logging in under a different account by rebooting, mounting  
> devices as filesystems, making configuration changes, everything is  
> different. I don't think anything makes sense until you understand  
> the entire system, top to bottom. It's a difficult investment to  
> make. I appreciate that this is not your problem.

But this has nothing to do with Plan 9.  It's a human-brain-firmware  
bug.  You're most comfortable with what you learn learn.

Put me in front of VMS and I start to hurl. To me, the interface is  
rebarbative.

Put a VMS user in front of a UNIX terminal and they will hurl.  To  
them, anything that lacks logicals is untenable.

How many of you enjoy the music your kids listen to?  Your parents  
listen to?  I'm confidant the number of hands that go up in this  
crowd will be significantly higher than in a same-sized sample of  
general computer users.  The Plan 9 community self-selects for a very  
open mind set.  As much of the elegance of Plan 9 derives from its  
user community as derives from the code.  Catering to the masses will  
drive away that community, ensuring the death of the code base.

--lyndon


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-08  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-25 14:32 ron minnich
2007-02-25 14:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-25 20:09     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-25 14:59 ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-25 15:50   ` fgergo
2007-02-25 22:34     ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26  8:49       ` fgergo
2007-02-26  9:19         ` ron minnich
2007-02-26  9:53           ` Richard Miller
2007-02-26 11:47             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 22:18               ` cummij
2007-02-26 11:50           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-02-26 12:50           ` erik quanstrom
2007-02-26 15:08             ` ron minnich
2007-02-26 15:13               ` Lluís Batlle
2007-02-26 15:54               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-02-26 17:28                 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-02-26 18:56                   ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 18:58                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-02-27 16:08                   ` Salva Peiró
2007-02-26 18:12               ` John Floren
2007-02-26 18:39               ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 19:05                 ` John Floren
2007-02-26 19:38                   ` David Leimbach
2007-03-06 19:33               ` bride of excession
2007-03-06 20:27                 ` ron minnich
2007-03-06 21:56                   ` matt
2007-03-06 22:37                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-06 23:08                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:12                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-06 23:18                           ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  4:21                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  3:48                     ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:13                       ` lucio
2007-03-07  4:23                       ` David Leimbach
2007-03-07  5:52                       ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:02                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  6:16                           ` Vester Thacker
2007-03-07  6:42                             ` ron minnich
2007-03-07  8:28                               ` Bakul Shah
2007-03-07 11:50                               ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:21                                 ` John Osborne
2007-03-07 22:47                                   ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-03-08  0:41                                   ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-07 21:31                                 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-03-07 13:47                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 14:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:05                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-07 18:38                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:06                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-07 18:30                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:55                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 20:34                               ` matt
2007-03-14 16:31                               ` bride of excession
2007-03-07  6:59                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-03-07  8:02                         ` csant
2007-03-07 10:04                           ` cej
2007-03-07 10:17                             ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 12:50                               ` Kenneth Long
2007-03-07 14:04                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 18:28                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-07 18:35                                     ` lucio
2007-03-07 16:53                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-07 17:18                             ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 17:40                               ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-07 17:43                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-07 18:41                                   ` Robert Sherwood
2007-03-07 19:01                                     ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-07 19:03                                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08  1:16                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg [this message]
2007-03-08  4:59                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-03-08 15:02                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:32                                           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-03-08 10:11                                       ` cej
2007-03-08 14:03                                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-03-08 14:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-07 18:27                                 ` lucio
2007-03-08  0:28                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  0:45                                 ` don bailey
2007-03-08  1:48                                   ` geoff
2007-03-08  2:19                                     ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-08  8:32                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 15:03                                         ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08 15:09                                           ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 15:24                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-08 16:33                                             ` David Leimbach
2007-03-08  2:45                                     ` Anthony Sorace
2007-03-08 19:02                                   ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-08 19:41                                     ` Boris Maryshev
2007-03-08 21:02                                       ` matt
2007-03-08 21:55                                         ` ron minnich
2007-03-09  4:46                                           ` lucio
2007-03-13 13:38                                             ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-09  4:17                                         ` lucio
2007-03-09 11:31                                         ` [9fans] " app
2007-03-09 15:52                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-09 22:08                                             ` Elbing Miss
2007-03-09 22:43                                               ` David Leimbach
2007-03-12  8:45                                   ` [9fans] " Dave Eckhardt
2007-03-12 10:06                                     ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 16:55                                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-03-12 17:37                                         ` lejatorn
2007-03-12 17:43                                           ` David Leimbach
2007-03-13 13:54                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-13 13:59                                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-14  4:05                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  4:26                                     ` Noah Evans
2007-03-14  4:33                                       ` lucio
2007-03-14  5:13                                         ` Noah Evans
2007-03-15 14:47                                           ` lucio
2007-03-15 17:57                                             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 18:10                                               ` lucio
2007-03-15 18:36                                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-03-15 19:28                                                   ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:20                                                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-16  8:31                                                       ` Uriel
2007-03-15 23:53                                             ` Noah Evans
2007-03-16  4:41                                               ` lucio
2007-03-16  8:06                                                 ` Geoffrey Avila
2007-03-16 12:33                                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-03-16 14:13                                                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-14  4:40                                       ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-14  6:06                                       ` Gabriel Díaz
2007-03-14  9:29                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  9:57                                       ` matt
2007-03-14 12:52                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-08 18:34                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2007-03-08 18:44                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-06 22:23                   ` Robert Hibberdine
2007-03-06 22:28                   ` John Floren
2007-03-12 12:17                     ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-06 23:17                 ` C H Forsyth
2007-03-06 23:21                   ` geoff
2007-03-07  0:48                     ` John Floren
2007-02-26 14:32           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-02-26 15:19           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-03-14  5:21 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2007-03-14  9:36 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-14  6:15 YAMANASHI Takeshi

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