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Neither is (compared to say the variety of *nix distros) departing greatly = from the source. Many of 9legacy=E2=80=99s patches are derived from 9front = fixes and improvements. There are two opinions of how these tactics are distinct: 1) 9legacy is current v4 Plan 9; 9front is the experimental test bed 2) 9legacy is maintaining the *historical* Plan 9, merely keeping the light= s on in the museum; 9front is a living OS for people interested in practica= l use of the OS. In the end, there is a bit of a dialectic here where *both* are true in a s= ense and neither are true in a sense.=20 But this may allow you to figure out where to start. If you are interested in understanding Plan 9 from a historical, software e= ngineering perspective, 9legacy is the closest you get to what was installe= d and developed at Bell and Lucent. If you are interested in incorporating the most modern iteration of a Plan = 9 system with best hardware support for using within your own workflow, go = with 9front. As an active user and community member of 9front, most of the = people on the 9front side *use* 9front daily and have it incorporated in th= eir personal or professional software development workflow, and I would arg= ue there is a more active user/developer community. That is not to say there aren=E2=80=99t developers actively using 9legacy (= or p9p) for their work, nor that people only use one or the other exclusive= ly, but it can give you a sense of orientation. Both are now licensed freely and independently of Lucent, thanks P9F. I hope this helps! -pixelheresy > On 27. Jan 2022, at 13.12, sml@firstpost.pub wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone,=20 >=20 > I'm really looking forward to getting to grips with Plan 9 in depth, but = would have a question in advance. >=20 > Since I want to use Plan 9 on an amd64 system, my understanding is that I= am left with two options: Plan 9 legacy and 9front. I want to use Plan 9 o= n bare metal, so Plan9port would only be a stopgap. >=20 > To be able to decide on an option, I would like to understand the differe= nces. Do the two systems differ in their stated goals, or is 9front's devel= opment merely historical (e.g. for licensing reasons)? >=20 > Many thanks in advance!=20 > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permali= nk ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbaab87532a204e00-Mc06e4= d1fcc7168be5809c3b5 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription