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charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 272332d2-374b-11eb-819e-c418a25c311f Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UM2ZkMDI4ZmNmMmVlYjI0Yy1NYTA5NDY3MGQ3MmQxNjZmNzgxMGIx?= =?UTF-8?B?MWJiPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Ma094670d72d166f7810b11bb:1:dM5BWMX8lHj8m-h-1vZJWSTx1hnPg3yla5HC11N6MlY Lucio De Re writes: > But do we want a flock of 9front-wielding droids flooding the 9fans > mailing list? 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