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Let's first consider what "resource" means in this context, since it can be= anything: computing resources might be the obvious, but user files are als= o resources, as well as practical abstracted resources from more complex sy= stems and processes. Basically anything can be a resource. On Plan 9, all of these resources can be abstracted as a filesystem, which = is the common abstraction for all things. Those filesystems are of course n= etwork ready and there's no type of "special" filesystem unlike on many oth= er operating systems (for example, on linux you have some special filesyste= m that manages disk space and that embeds into the OS. On Plan 9 it doesn't= matter what's under the hood, as long as it talks 9p it's fine). And since you have fully dynamic namespaces per process basically you can c= ontrol which exact services (as a filesystem) you want to use for your spec= ific purpose. You want to use a different network card for your process? Ju= st import the filesystem. You want to access another microscope, telescope = or camera for your image processing software? Just import that filesystem. = That's not a camera but stored images you captured earlier? Who cares. As l= ong as your software doesn't care, just use it. This also works great with interfaces to hardware or software resources. As= long as the interface looks the same you can easily exchange a filesystem = with another. Just build your namespace and do what you want. And since Plan 9 is fully network ready nobody cares about if the filesyste= m is actually stored on the same machine, a remote machine on the same netw= ork, at the other end of the world, or just a small arduino that talks 9p o= ver some weird infrared signal line some teenager constructed in their base= ment. It just doesn't matter, the system doesn't care. In my opinion that's where Plan 9 really shines and empowers me to do crazy= stuff. Of course it's more ideological and philosophical, but it's a great= perspective to have. And it's more fun to work with it that way. This is also why I think Plan 9 is very modern. There are many new ideas no= wadays that you can find within Plan 9 already in a much more elegant way. = Take alone the plumber, which is an incredible utility. It's simple and you= can find more "modern" (i.e. complex) solutions on android/ios, windows 10= +, mac and modern linux environments, but plumber is just more simple and p= owerful. And that's just one example, pretty sure you cam find other exampl= es yourself. Well, again I just want to add a small little detail that's great but I wri= te a long passage. Sorry for the long message. sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td6c4be6d8502dbd0-Mc4800= 112cc3288d8076ebe16 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription