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Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:52:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-248-gcd102cb-fm-20200901.001-gcd102cb9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <87684ac5-639f-4fe7-8554-02e41009d044@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20FC18E5C59C4F6B76DD591B43654668@eigenstate.org> References: <20FC18E5C59C4F6B76DD591B43654668@eigenstate.org> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 12:52:28 +0100 From: "Ethan Gardener" To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Brazil Content-Type: text/plain Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: ab2cb9ce-ec49-11ea-adb1-84c3699c98ec On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, at 10:30 PM, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legacy base? > > Porting software is expensive and time consuming. Unix > mostly works. On top of that, Unix has many features. > Bolted on in ways that don't fit, but features that > aren't provided by Plan 9 tools, nonetheless. > > When given a familiar but ugly environment with more > features, which requires less work to get their familiar > software running, what do you expect the result to be? I agree, and add to all that the fact that Linux was popular and well-regarded many years before Plan 9 became open-source. Plan 9 was not only expensive, but IIRC hardly available before it was open-sourced in 2000. Also, denial of a serious bug in Fossil must have contributed to crushing what little chance Plan 9 had in this century. It took over 10 years to fix a serious data corruption bug which affected most, perhaps almost all new users. What commercial developer or balanced hobbyist would put up with that? For some perspective, see mycroftiv's mail: [9fans] notes on fossil, ANTS, and 9front/Bell labs controversies. He put a lot of effort into working around failure of the root filesystem. I'm sorry for the part I've played in contributing to the Plan 9 attitude problem, and I'm glad to see it has faded away. With the attitude problem gone and some corporations developing new, non-unix operating systems, I think Plan 9 could well become more popular than it's ever been.