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Subject: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
From: Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
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As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans on
a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
front.

I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.

The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.

I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.

If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old system.
I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
cutover.

Best,
Russ

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As you may know from the thread back in August, we&#3=
9;ve been running 9fans on a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a s=
pam blocking service in front.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve b=
een working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to Fastma=
il&#39;s hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.=C2=A0</div><div><div><br></=
div><div>The list address remains <a href=3D"mailto:9fans@9fans.net">9fans@=
9fans.net</a>.</div><div>Searchable archives will be hosted at <a href=3D"h=
ttp://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans">9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans</a>.=
</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I think everything is ready to c=
ut over, and I plan to try after sending this message.=C2=A0 All addresses =
that were receiving mail from the old system should start receiving mail fr=
om Topicbox automatically, and we&#39;ve preserved=C2=A0the &quot;digest or=
 not&quot; bit as well. To manage your subscription, log in to topicbox at =
<a href=3D"http://9fans.topicbox.com">9fans.topicbox.com</a>.</div></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>If all goes well, this will be the last message sent thro=
ugh the old system.</div><div>I will follow up with a message through the T=
opicbox=C2=A0system after the cutover.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>B=
est,</div><div>Russ</div></div>

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From: Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:04:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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This mail should come through Topicbox. We will see. :-)


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans
> on a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
> front.
>
> I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
> Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.
>
> The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
> Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.
>
> I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
> this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
> should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
> preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
> in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.
>
> If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old
> system.
> I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
> cutover.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">This mail should come through Topicbox. We will see. :-)<d=
iv><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM Russ Cox &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As you may know from th=
e thread back in August, we&#39;ve been running 9fans on a self-hosted Mail=
man on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in front.<br></div><div>=
<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail =
on moving 9fans over to Fastmail&#39;s hosted mailing list service, Topicbo=
x.=C2=A0</div><div><div><br></div><div>The list address remains <a href=3D"=
mailto:9fans@9fans.net" target=3D"_blank">9fans@9fans.net</a>.</div><div>Se=
archable archives will be hosted at <a href=3D"http://9fans.topicbox.com/gr=
oups/9fans" target=3D"_blank">9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans</a>.</div><di=
v></div></div><div><br></div><div>I think everything is ready to cut over, =
and I plan to try after sending this message.=C2=A0 All addresses that were=
 receiving mail from the old system should start receiving mail from Topicb=
ox automatically, and we&#39;ve preserved=C2=A0the &quot;digest or not&quot=
; bit as well. To manage your subscription, log in to topicbox at <a href=
=3D"http://9fans.topicbox.com" target=3D"_blank">9fans.topicbox.com</a>.</d=
iv></div><div><br></div><div>If all goes well, this will be the last messag=
e sent through the old system.</div><div>I will follow up with a message th=
rough the Topicbox=C2=A0system after the cutover.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Best,</div><div>Russ</div></div>
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:34:01 -0400
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By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:37 AM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now hosted
> at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T907e5dc9acc6a37b-M018d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100>
> .
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 13:37, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>
> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives now hosted at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink

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i know i'm late to the party, but shouldn't 9fans be running on a 9
machine/cluster?

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 7:35 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now hosted
> at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T907e5dc9acc6a37b-M018d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100>
> .
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>i know i&#39;m late to the party, but shouldn&#39;t =
9fans be running on a 9 machine/cluster?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 7:35 PM Russ Co=
x &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
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9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.</div><div><br></div><div>The <a=
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noreferrer">9fans archives</a> now hosted at Topicbox=C2=A0contain all the =
messages</div><div>formerly at <a href=3D"http://9fans.net/archive" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">9fans.net/archive</a> (before that machine w=
ent down), dating</div><div>all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here&#3=
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18d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">my firs=
t mail to 9fans</a>.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Thanks very much to Calv=
in Morrison and the=C2=A0Topicbox team for their help!</div><div>I&#39;m qu=
ite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system</div><div=
>after all this time.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Russ</div><d=
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i received a lot of html here.

in addition to the original html sent by the authors there is now even
more html stuff, e.g. those footers:
 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options
Permalink

there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

personally i don't think it matters what software is used to host it
as long as it works reliably. since i registered on 9fans, russ did a
very good job with mail, thanks a lot for that - i only still miss
those web services you had on your website, russ! :))

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From: Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 06:30:11 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJQ9t7jsuJbo61dg=8Ck7h=NfRNtiUgf7ebXiyTSrx16eTJv5g@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
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On 10/11/19, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.
>
I can live with this...

Many thanks, Russ.

Lucio.

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:07:00 -0700
From: Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> once said:
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now
> hosted at Topicbox contain all the messages formerly at
> 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating all the way
> back to July 1993.

This is missing the dozen or so messages from the beginning of the
mailing list in April 1993. I have them in mbox format if you are
interested in adding them to your archive.

  Anthony

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:12:43 -0700
From: Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> once said:
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

And it's all in duplicated in the headers.
Can it be turned off?

  Anthony

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 04:21:04 -0700
From: Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org> once said:
> This is missing the dozen or so messages from the beginning of the
> mailing list in April 1993. I have them in mbox format if you are
> interested in adding them to your archive.

Also, the following messages in the Topicbox archive are duplicates.
They are identical except for an empty "Cc" header on the first one.

https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td304f708de7d8d92-M42f72ee9d5148680750dc274/9fans-attention-new-list-address
https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td304f708de7d8d92-Mc7db8bc68d73a0e7bf287d33/9fans-attention-new-list-address

This was the first message after the switch from psu.edu to 9fans.net.

Just checking edge cases. ☺

  Anthony

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From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@highwirepress.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:12:12 -0700
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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> For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.

Wow, this makes me feel my age.  I see your first email to the ilst
was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago!

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Roger wilko, over! ;)

Seems to be working:D

On 14 October 2019 16:56:12 BST, "Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu" <aram=2Eh@mgk=
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>Test=2E
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>--=20
>Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu
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>9fans: 9fans
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<html><head></head><body>Roger wilko, over! ;)<br><br>Seems to be working:D=
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=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu" &lt;aram=2Eh@mgk=2Ero&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"g=
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If you can remember how long ago it was, you're not old enough :)

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:35 PM James A. Robinson <jimr@highwirepress.com>
wrote:

> > For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.
>
> Wow, this makes me feel my age.  I see your first email to the ilst
> was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago!
>
> ------------------------------------------
> 9fans: 9fans
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> Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you can remember how long ago it was, you&#39;re not ol=
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mail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:35 PM James A. Robinson &lt;<a href=3D=
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div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt; For fun, here&#3=
9;s my first mail to 9fans.<br>
<br>
Wow, this makes me feel my age.=C2=A0 I see your first email to the ilst<br=
>
was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago!<br>
<br>
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9fans: 9fans<br>
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To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
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Damn, my first post was more than 15 years ago, we are not as young as =
we used to.

=E2=80=94-
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:07:58 +0100
From: "Ethan Gardener" <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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Glad the changeover was successful. :)

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, at 8:14 PM, hiro wrote:
> i received a lot of html here.
> 
> in addition to the original html sent by the authors there is now even
> more html stuff, e.g. those footers:
>  9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options
> Permalink
> 
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

There's no html in your mail, at least.  

As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every email, and it's not in the headers.

I'm not commenting on the size of the headers though. :)

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:38:28 -0700
From: Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
Message-ID: <20191023073828.GA6325@alice>
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Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> once said:
> As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every
> email, and it's not in the headers.
>
> [...]
>
> Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595

It is in the headers:

Archived-At: <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595>

  Anthony

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From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 10:03:07 +0200
Message-ID: <CAFSF3XMNz15BO-5eNqYeAO_G4p17ME38zJz5Rb1QNVq78_59Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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btw. even though i dislike the links in the content of the message i
like the idea of this header to make the mail accessible in a global
namespace. and wondering if this is the case on any other mailing
lists or only a topicbox-internal standard...

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:24:50 +0100
From: "Ethan Gardener" <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Anthony Martin wrote:
> Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> once said:
> > As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every
> > email, and it's not in the headers.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595
> 
> It is in the headers:
> 
> Archived-At: 
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595>

Ah, then there's a deficiency in both the standard and my mail client. I see this in the headers:

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:45:57 +0000
From: "Calvin Morrison" <calvin@fastmailteam.com>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:03 AM, hiro wrote:
> this is the case on any other mailing lists or only a topicbox-internal
> standard...

Quite right. RFC2369 describes most of the standard headers you'll be used to. However, I'm not aware of a permalink to web archives for each individual post.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2369

Cheers,
Calvin

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Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription? Can someone
update https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/ since that's the first
result of a web search.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:58 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans
> on a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
> front.
>
> I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
> Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.
>
> The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
> Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.
>
> I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
> this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
> should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
> preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
> in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.
>
> If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old
> system.
> I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
> cutover.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Does=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:9fans-request=
@9fans.net">9fans-request@9fans.net</a> still work for subscription? Can so=
meone update <a href=3D"https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/">https://9p=
.io/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/</a> since that&#39;s the first result of a we=
b search.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:58 PM Russ Cox &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rs=
c@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As you may know from the th=
read back in August, we&#39;ve been running 9fans on a self-hosted Mailman =
on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in front.<br></div><div><div=
><br></div><div>I&#39;ve been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on m=
oving 9fans over to Fastmail&#39;s hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.=
=C2=A0</div><div><div><br></div><div>The list address remains <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:9fans@9fans.net" target=3D"_blank">9fans@9fans.net</a>.</div><div>Sear=
chable archives will be hosted at <a href=3D"http://9fans.topicbox.com/grou=
ps/9fans" target=3D"_blank">9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans</a>.</div><div>=
</div></div><div><br></div><div>I think everything is ready to cut over, an=
d I plan to try after sending this message.=C2=A0 All addresses that were r=
eceiving mail from the old system should start receiving mail from Topicbox=
 automatically, and we&#39;ve preserved=C2=A0the &quot;digest or not&quot; =
bit as well. To manage your subscription, log in to topicbox at <a href=3D"=
http://9fans.topicbox.com" target=3D"_blank">9fans.topicbox.com</a>.</div><=
/div><div><br></div><div>If all goes well, this will be the last message se=
nt through the old system.</div><div>I will follow up with a message throug=
h the Topicbox=C2=A0system after the cutover.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Best,</div><div>Russ</div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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Subject: Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
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> Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription?

It does not; not at the moment.

I complained about it and the issue has been brought to Topicbox
team's attention.

-- kvik

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Subject: Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:24:58 -0400
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Archived-At is from RFC 5064.

	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5064

The weird "=3D?UTF-8?B?" is an "Encoded Word", per RFC 2047. Email =
headers are defined to be 7-bit ASCII (yes, still); 2047 provides a way =
to encode other characters in email headers. Mind you, it looks like all =
the actual Archived-At links Topicbox would fit in 7-bit ASCII anyway =
and it'd be nice if they reserved the Encoded Word for when they needed =
it, but whatever; email is a mess and this is nice to have.

	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2047

Anthony

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:45 , Calvin Morrison <calvin@fastmailteam.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:03 AM, hiro wrote:
>> this is the case on any other mailing lists or only a =
topicbox-internal
>> standard...
>=20
> Quite right. RFC2369 describes most of the standard headers you'll be =
used to. However, I'm not aware of a permalink to web archives for each =
individual post.
>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2369
>=20
> Cheers,
> Calvin
>=20
> ------------------------------------------
> 9fans: 9fans
> Permalink: =
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> Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription


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>> Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription?
>
> It does not; not at the moment.

I got a note stating this will stay true indefinitely.

In Topicbox' defense their marketing line is "Group email for teams",
so saying it is not a very good mailing list package wouldn't be fair.

-- kvik