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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 314aa8b0-1066-11ef-aa10-b7736aa7f441 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NM2JkMThjZGJlYTIwNjcxMjQwOGZj?= =?UTF-8?B?MmU0Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M3bd18cdbea206712408fc2e4:1:vV3NfAnk-y0I9NbZIJF_-EVlSrATUv9IexMwvVnzrQk I'm stepping back to listen. Perhaps you're not a software engineer. It i= s good to discuss before starting. Vic=20=20 On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 22:11, hiro wrote: > why step back. step forward and put your money where your mouth is. > > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 2:42=E2=80=AFPM wrot= e: >> >> Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I want to clarify that my intention= is not to exert control or disrupt, but to foster better collaboration bet= ween communities. I understand that there may be concerns about redundancy= and approaches, which is why I believe a dialogue about our common goals a= nd how best to achieve them is crucial. I do not see much collaboration be= tween 9legacy and 9front. From what I gather from this thread, it seems th= at one community wants to lord over another and not be helpful. At least t= his is how it appears to a hobbyist like me. It would be nice if things we= re more cordial and helpful. >> >> I am assuming everyone here is a hobbyist, so I speak as a hobbyist. It= =E2=80=99s important to recognize that our shared interest in advancing the= Plan 9 community is at the heart of these discussions. I am here not for p= ersonal gain but to contribute positively. I think we all bring valuable pe= rspectives that, when combined, can lead to innovative solutions that benef= it everyone involved. >> >> Let=E2=80=99s focus on how we can work together more effectively. I am o= pen to suggestions and willing to step back where needed to allow for a mor= e collective approach. I believe that through constructive dialogue and a s= hared commitment to our community=E2=80=99s goals, we can overcome misunder= standings and move forward together. >> >> I don't mind the ad hominem attacks. I just hope things improve. I do f= ind it ironic that I'm addressing the 9front community about collaboration = and inclusiveness when I recall those as being two reasons for the inceptio= n of 9front. >> >> Vic >> >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 21:18, plan6@room3420.net wrote: >> > The collaboration is already here. You try to create tools that already >> > exist. I'd like to pinpoint why you have this unbelievable need for >> > control and wonder if you're not just working for Microsoft, Google or >> > the guy who stole Freenode and just try to disrupt the plan9 community. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M3bd18= cdbea206712408fc2e4 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription