[9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[rob pike]

I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

-rob

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Mike Haertel]

>I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

See http://nickle.org/name.html for the official explanation.
They claim that certain published dictionaries allow the -le.

In addition to the stuff on the web page, Bart also told me an
amusing story about the domain name squatter who they bought the
name from.  He told them how much he wanted, they said "oh rats,
that's too much", then the guy was so desperate to sell the name
that he drastically lowered his price, I think to under $100.

Maybe they tried to get nickel.org first, and then discovered that
the owners of that name wanted too much...

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

mike@ducky.net (Mike Haertel) writes:

> >I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.
>
> See http://nickle.org/name.html for the official explanation.
> They claim that certain published dictionaries allow the -le.

Well, the OED and all the online dictionaries I can trivially check
know nothing of it.  The jargon file does, however contain it.  I
guess that means:

1) Eric Raymond is a dork M-DEL sometimes rather clueless person.
2) The Hackers Dictionary is, well, I guess, a "published dictionary".

Thomas

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Quinn Dunkan]

> I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

 From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

  Nickle \Nic"kle\, n. (Zo["o]l.)
     The European woodpecker, or yaffle; -- called also {nicker
     pecker}.

Well, that's probably not right.  How about:

 From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (15Feb98) [foldoc]:

  nickle

     /ni'kl/ ["nickel", common name for the US 5-cent coin] A
     {nibble} + 1; 5 bits.  Reported among developers for Mattel's
     {GI 1600} (the {Intellivision} games processor), a chip with
     16 bit-wide {RAM} but 10 bit-wide {ROM}.  See also {deckle}.



Yaffle sounds like a good name for a language though.

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

quinn@retch.ugcs.caltech.edu (Quinn Dunkan) writes:

> From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (15Feb98) [foldoc]:

It should be noted that this item in the "FOlDoC" is a copy of the
Jargon File a/k/a "Hacker's Dictionary".  One wishes they would credit
it.

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes:

> I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

Well, it's colloquially called a nickel.  "Nickle" is of course not an
English word.

The law doesn't really give them official names, however.  The six
common coins are identified in 31 USC 5112 as:

"a dollar coin"
"a half dollar coin"
"a quarter dollar coin"
"a dime coin"
"a 5-cent coin"
"a one-cent coin"

which is of course just what is printed on the physical coins.

Thomas

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

ron writes:
> I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

sure bro', got dime bag ...

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Douglas A. Gwyn]

rob pike wrote:
> I could have sworn the coin is called a 'nickel'.

Yes, after the metal.  A nickle is a bird.

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[okamoto]

>Yeah, but I think that's a silly sheme.

Curious.  I've thought anyone familier with English would like Hepburn style
Romaji than that of formal one.

For an example, when we say Kanpai, we close mouth for 'n' in KaNpai,
whence, I believe, James Hepburn thought it should be KaMpai.  However,
formal one is Kanpai, of course.

Kenji   -- Sorry, for very local topic. :-)

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[skipt]

I think the "N before M,B or P" rule makes sense.

Although I'm not a linguist, I speak a couple-or-three and I think
the rule has to do with the physiology of the mouth and is
a practical matter. Farsi has the same rule, e.g. Panbeh (cotton) or
Doshanbeh (Monday) are correctly pronounced Pam-beh and Doe-sham-beh.

At 11:00 AM 1/29/2002 +0900, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:
>>Yeah, but I think that's a silly sheme.
>
>Curious.  I've thought anyone familier with English would like Hepburn style
>Romaji than that of formal one.
>
>For an example, when we say Kanpai, we close mouth for 'n' in KaNpai,
>whence, I believe, James Hepburn thought it should be KaMpai.  However,
>formal one is Kanpai, of course.
>
>Kenji   -- Sorry, for very local topic. :-)

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:
>
> >Yeah, but I think that's a silly sheme.
>
> Curious.  I've thought anyone familier with English would like Hepburn style
> Romaji than that of formal one.

I like the 1 to 1 mapping.  Mapping n to m is just silly.

Completely Off Topic:  I now have a rounin tattoo on my left arm:

    http://home.fr.inter.net/boyd/images/rounin.jpg

Yes, the _old_ meaning.

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[erik quanstrom]

are you one of those guys who is person b in this conversation:

a) can i borrow x?
b) i belive you can yes.
a) okay, damit, /may/ i borrow x?

and, to rebutt, webster believes it's a word

	http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=nickle&submit=Look+It+Up

and we, unlike the french, do not trust the government to define
our language. which language, since you're being pedantic about it,
should probablly be called "american english" or "american" (as
everyone who does not live in the us calls it).

erik

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Matt H]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:55:00 -0500 (EST)
"erik quanstrom" <quanstro@speakeasy.net> wrote:

> are you one of those guys who is person b in this conversation:
>
> a) can i borrow x?
> b) i belive you can yes.
> a) okay, damit, /may/ i borrow x?

yes I am, it drives people crazy.
but luckily it's not quite at that level

I think it comes from too much programming!

are you the sort of programmer that does :

f = fopen("filename", "w");
f.write(areallybigstring);
f.close()

or
stringlen = len(areallybigstring)
if (not enoughdiskspace(stringlen)) :
	print "not enough space on device to write file"
	sys.exit()
try :
	f = fopen("filename", "w");
except :
	print "couldn't open file for writing"
	sys.exit()
try :
	w = f.write(areallybigstring);
except :
	print "write failed"
	sys.exit()
try :
	f.close()
except :
	print "close failed"

if (w != stringlen) :
	print "agghh not enough bytes written"

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

erik quanstrom wrote:
> and we, unlike the french, do not trust the government to define
> our language.

It's not the Government, it's l'Académie Française

They are so bright that they mandated that CD should be spelt cédé.

[9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[George Michaelson]

	http://nickle.org/

Kampai!!

	-George

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

George Michaelson wrote:
> Kampai!!

kaNpai

ma/mi/mu/me/mo

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[YAMANASHI Takeshi]

> > Kampai!!
> kaNpai

N before M, B, or P becomes M according to
the Hebon-shiki Roma-ji scheme.

Another example is Shinbun -> Shimbun.
--
YAMANASHI Takeshi

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote:
>
> > > Kampai!!
> > kaNpai
>
> N before M, B, or P becomes M according to
> the Hebon-shiki Roma-ji scheme.

Yeah, but I think that's a silly sheme.

> Another example is Shinbun -> Shimbun.

Yep, just like shimbun [newspaper iirc].

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[David Gordon Hogan]

> Yaffle sounds like a good name for a language though.

Yet Another <mumble> Functional Language Evaluator?

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Boyd Roberts]

> Yaffle sounds like a good name for a language though.

Waffle?

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Dave Lukes]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:33:28PM +0100, Boyd Roberts wrote:
> > Yaffle sounds like a good name for a language though.
>
> Waffle?

Well, there's already been a WAFL:
	http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?WAFL

Cheers,
	Dave.

[9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[rob pike]

The metal, too.

-rob

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[Russ Cox]

>	http://nickle.org/

he should have called it hoc++.

Re: [9fans] is nickle plan9 acceptable?

[ozan s yigit]

> he should have called it hoc++.

but most names certainly fail in describing this ... thing.
[i'd probably sooner use [supressing gag reflex] perl 6...]