From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Eric Van Hensbergen In-Reply-To: <31ab45d5d167967b7f2d8295682c11fa@quanstro.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:48:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8C898F89-2D6D-4E1C-9F4E-9060358A421F@gmail.com> References: <31ab45d5d167967b7f2d8295682c11fa@quanstro.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] linux stats in last year from linuxcon Topicbox-Message-UUID: 746d921c-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sep 21, 2009, at 9:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >>> "We're getting bloated and huge. Yes, it's a problem," said >>> Torvalds." >> >> So may be Tanenbaum was right, after all, there's a reason we make >> things modular. > > rob, presotto, ken and phil did not agree with tanenbaum's > ideas about modular kernels. > > this was a direct response to ast many years ago. it was > hard to dig up when i did so in 2006. perhaps someone > has a better link: > > - Microkernels are the way to go > False unless your only goal is to get papers published. > Plan 9's kernel is a fraction of the size of any microkernel > we know and offers more functionality and comparable > or often better performance. > IMHO, that statement applies to existing microkernel implementations (at the time? perhaps still?) -- its not clear to me that they inherently must be that way. Likely their use as "fuel for papers and PhD's" contributed to their bloat. -eric