From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Paschke Christoph In-Reply-To: <6809130.2019.1331980773050.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynlt15> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:47:46 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C97A01D-CF9B-42E7-A76A-CB931660F3AB@me.com> References: <20120316193646.GA2789@polynum.com> <6809130.2019.1331980773050.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynlt15> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Cc: faif Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6ad8758a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 You know that Minix / Prof. Tanenbaum get > 2.4 Mio Euro from European = Union to get an Europe side operating system running. They were at the Nuernberg embedded fare. At the moment they migrate the = x86 base to Arm. They got 2-3 students for that to work. I think it is not only the GSoC, but also this support from EU. What I = also like at Minix is the good documentation (books form Prof. = Tanenbaum) you get about the system. I also got some idea to get engaged with Minix especially according to = the idea of the Microkernel and the reincarnation drivers etc. But one = part I got shocked was the amount of RAM this system needs for nearly = nothing and also the missing of nearly each hardware support. So, at = Plan 9 you see the old profs around the Bell Labs at work if you compare = that both systems. Ok, for my understanding there is the difference between a reincarnation = resource approach on base of a Microkernel and driver in user space (in = Minix) or an file based distributed resource (in Plan 9), right? So, = both ideas I find quite interesting alternative concepts, isn't it? Before I started with Inferno some weeks ago, I still was quite sure to = engage with Minix. Only not sure with this hardware and RAM issue at = all. So, nothing with the system only needs 1 MB ... But I also get in = good hope because the EU money funding. Money always turn the world. But for me most important to see if things are going forward, projects = are defined and getting done. That there is not such chaos everywhere = that eachone doing anything and all doing nothing ... So, I think most important to describe clearly the installation process = that newbies not get a shock or give up already at the beginning. Second: I believe it is important that the website is good readable for = normal people, written from native english speaking people that everyone = can understand well. It is not a good idea at all if an installation description for example = is written from people that have serious problems in expression or = precise description of the processes in english words. In this way = projects are already born to fail from beginning. The Minix project will get a good start in this way, especially now = after financing and after it is coordinated centrally by Vrieje = Univerity. And such organizational fundamentals of a system, the Plan 9 = group also should get working. I think need clearly write together the = projects what ones like to work on, doing it with a clear native english = description and the opportunity to get envolved. At the moment I get = such chaotic feeling with Plan 9. Maybe I'm wrong? Am 19.03.2012 um 10:35 schrieb faif: > =CE=A4=CE=B7 =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE, = 16 =CE=9C=CE=B1=CF=81=CF=84=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2012 8:36:46 =CE=BC.=CE=BC. = UTC+1, =CE=BF =CF=87=CF=81=CE=AE=CF=83=CF=84=CE=B7=CF=82 = (=CE=AC=CE=B3=CE=BD=CF=89=CF=83=CF=84=CE=BF=CF=82) =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1= =CF=88=CE=B5: >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote: >>> Folks: >>> Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in >>> this year's Summer of Code. >>=20 >> I don't know the exhaustive list of rejected, but I would say that = the >> accepted one is enlightening. >>=20 >> And BTW, Plan9 is not the only one not here... I see many missing... >>=20 >> And as Anthony writes, this does not prevent any doing.=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Thierry Laronde >> http://www.kergis.com/ >> Key fingerprint =3D 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 = F40C >=20 >=20 >=20 > =CE=A4=CE=B7 =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE, = 16 =CE=9C=CE=B1=CF=81=CF=84=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2012 8:36:46 =CE=BC.=CE=BC. = UTC+1, =CE=BF =CF=87=CF=81=CE=AE=CF=83=CF=84=CE=B7=CF=82 = (=CE=AC=CE=B3=CE=BD=CF=89=CF=83=CF=84=CE=BF=CF=82) =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1= =CF=88=CE=B5: >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote: >>> Folks: >>> Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in >>> this year's Summer of Code. >>=20 >> I don't know the exhaustive list of rejected, but I would say that = the >> accepted one is enlightening. >>=20 >> And BTW, Plan9 is not the only one not here... I see many missing... >>=20 >> And as Anthony writes, this does not prevent any doing.=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Thierry Laronde >> http://www.kergis.com/ >> Key fingerprint =3D 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 = F40C >=20 > It's a pity to see less novel (IMHO) operating systems like MINIX 3 = being accepted, and Plan 9 being rejected... >=20