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Subject: Early version of Floppy Demo
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Hi,
I have an early version of the Plan 9 demo (serial number 0561). I'm using =
86Box (Socket 7 VX Shuttle HOT-557 Pentium 100) to boot it. It boots, but t=
hen presents:
root is from (local, il, tcp)[local!#f/fd0disk]:
I press enter
user[none]:
fs...fs...time...
init: starting /bin/rc
/fs 14: serving #s/dos
Mouse port is (ps2, 0 (called COM1 in DOS), or 1 (called COM2 in DOS)):
I type ps20 (cuz my ps2 mouse is emulated on COM1?)
bunch of stuff scrolls by and ends with:
init: rc exit status: rc 9:false
init: starting /bin/rc
term%
Did I provide reasonable responses and how do I start the windows system (w=
hoever thought of naming it 8 1/2, by the way?). I can't even type it in th=
e console whatever 1/2 character was used :).
Will=
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Hi,
I have an =
early version of the Plan 9 demo (serial number 0561). I'm using 86Box (Soc=
ket 7 VX Shuttle HOT-557 Pentium 100) to boot it. It boots, but then presen=
ts:
root is from (local, il, tcp)[local!#f/fd0=
disk]:
I press enter
<=
div>user[none]:
fs...fs...time...
init: startin=
g /bin/rc
/fs 14: serving #s/dos
Mouse port is =
(ps2, 0 (called COM1 in DOS), or 1 (called COM2 in DOS)):
I type ps20 (cuz my ps2 mouse is emulated on COM1?)
bunch of stuff scrolls by and ends with:
in=
it: rc exit status: rc 9:false
init: starting =
/bin/rc
term%
Did I provide reas=
onable responses and how do I start the windows system (whoever thought of =
naming it 8 1/2, by the way?). I can't even type it in the console whatever=
1/2 character was used :).
Will
=
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From: Skip Tavakkolian
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:50:05 -0700
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Early version of Floppy Demo
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Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able to type 8-Alt-1-2
to type 8=C2=BD
You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of 8=C2=BD.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:58 AM wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an early version of the Plan 9 demo (serial number 0561). I'm usin=
g
> 86Box (Socket 7 VX Shuttle HOT-557 Pentium 100) to boot it. It boots, but
> then presents:
>
> root is from (local, il, tcp)[local!#f/fd0disk]:
>
> I press enter
>
> user[none]:
> fs...fs...time...
> init: starting /bin/rc
> /fs 14: serving #s/dos
> Mouse port is (ps2, 0 (called COM1 in DOS), or 1 (called COM2 in DOS)):
>
> I type ps20 (cuz my ps2 mouse is emulated on COM1?)
> bunch of stuff scrolls by and ends with:
>
> init: rc exit status: rc 9:false
>
> init: starting /bin/rc
> term%
>
> Did I provide reasonable responses and how do I start the windows system
> (whoever thought of naming it 8 1/2, by the way?). I can't even type it i=
n
> the console whatever 1/2 character was used :).
>
> Will
> *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions
> + participants
> + delivery options
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Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able =
to type 8-Alt-1-2 to type 8=C2=BD
You should also be able to start acme=
or sam instead of=C2=A08=C2=BD.
Hi,
I have an early version of the P=
lan 9 demo (serial number 0561). I'm using 86Box (Socket 7 VX Shuttle H=
OT-557 Pentium 100) to boot it. It boots, but then presents:
=
root is from (local, il, tcp)[local!#f/fd0disk]:
I press enter
user[none]:
fs...fs...time...
init: starting /bin/rc
/fs 14: serving #s/dos
Mouse port is (ps2, 0 (called CO=
M1 in DOS), or 1 (called COM2 in DOS)):
I type=
ps20 (cuz my ps2 mouse is emulated on COM1?)
bunch of stuff =
scrolls by and ends with:
init: rc exit status=
: rc 9:false
init: starting /bin/rc
<=
div>term%
Did I provide reasonable responses a=
nd how do I start the windows system (whoever thought of naming it 8 1/2, b=
y the way?). I can't even type it in the console whatever 1/2 character=
was used :).
Will
I figured out how to get the graphical syst=
em to work... when it asks about the mouse, select a valid option :) - ps2,=
0, or 1...
Now, I just need to =
figure out which mouse options to set in 86box, so the mouse actually works=
!
=
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Early version of Floppy Demo
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able to type 8-Al=
t-1-2 to type 8=C2=BD
> You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of 8=C2=BD.
These will probably work, except acme hadn't been invented yet and sam m=
ay or may not give an error the first time. (Checked with another demo d=
isk.) You probably do want to start the window system, there is no way t=
o kill the foreground process without it.
I could email a slightly newer demo disk which prompts, "Start the windo=
w system? (y/n)". Note that it has more annoyances than 4th edition. For=
instance, while the down arrow key behaves appropriately, the up arrow =
key inserts =C3=8E. Home inserts =C3=8D, End inserts CR. Double-click do=
esn't select anything in 8=C2=BD, which is a nuisance when you habituall=
y use send. The grep command does not exist! It does, however, have ftpf=
s. Useful demo, not useful tool.
I could email a 2nd edition CD-ROM too. It has grep and the source to ev=
erything, but it's not a bootable disk. I don't think the demo floppy's =
kernel has appropriate drivers. (It certainly lacks 9660srv.) The conten=
ts of #S are unfamiliar too. The demo floppy lacks a lot of things, such=
as /dev/drivers and even ns, which hinders exploration. I extracted a b=
unch of kernels from the CD-ROM in the past, but I couldn't be bothered =
to figure out how to boot them, much less find which one(s) will mount r=
oot from a CD-ROM. I wonder if they'll boot if I tell qemu they're flopp=
y disk images... (tired now)
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From: Skip Tavakkolian
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:33:22 -0700
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:31 PM Ethan Gardener wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> > Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able to type
> 8-Alt-1-2 to type 8=C2=BD
> > You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of 8=C2=BD.
>
> These will probably work, except acme hadn't been invented yet and sam ma=
y
> or may not give an error the first time. (Checked with another demo disk.=
)
> You probably do want to start the window system, there is no way to kill
> the foreground process without it.
>
Acme (Alef version) is in 2ed; the single-floppy version doesn't seem to
have the binary. Looking at the screenshot that Will sent me directly, the
dates on the binaries match up to 2ed release.
I'm pretty sure the four-floppy set that came with the CDROM has the acme
binary. I don't have any floppy drives that I trust to look at my copy.
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Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able to type 8-Al=
t-1-2 to type 8=C2=BD
> You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of 8=C2=BD.
These will probably work, except acme hadn't been invented yet and sam =
may or may not give an error the first time. (Checked with another demo dis=
k.) You probably do want to start the window system, there is no way to kil=
l the foreground process without it.
Ac=
me (Alef version) is in 2ed; the single-floppy version doesn't seem to =
have the binary. Looking at the screenshot that Will sent me directly, the =
dates on the binaries match up to 2ed release.
I&#=
39;m pretty sure the four-floppy set that came with the CDROM has the acme =
binary. I don't have any floppy drives that I trust to look at my copy.=
On 7/23/20 4:33 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at
6:50 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be
able to type 8-Alt-1-2 to type 8½
> You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of
8½.
These will probably work, except acme hadn't been invented
yet and sam may or may not give an error the first time.
(Checked with another demo disk.) You probably do want to
start the window system, there is no way to kill the
foreground process without it.
Acme (Alef version) is in 2ed; the single-floppy version
doesn't seem to have the binary. Looking at the screenshot
that Will sent me directly, the dates on the binaries match
up to 2ed release.
I'm pretty sure the four-floppy set that came with the
CDROM has the acme binary. I don't have any floppy drives
that I trust to look at my copy.
Interestingly enough, I
found an old 4 floppy set of vd's in the same folder with the demo
image. It looks like they are Nov 1995 (I apparently winimaged
them from floppies back then). When I boot disk 1, it complains
about not having an mbr partition and bails. I'm guessing it's
expecting some OS and hard disk to be present to install to.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:01:05 +0100
From: "Ethan Gardener"
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Early version of Floppy Demo
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 10:33 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:31 PM Ethan Gardener w=
rote:
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> > Going by memory, assuming aux/vga ran, you should be able to type 8=
-Alt-1-2 to type 8=C2=BD
>> > You should also be able to start acme or sam instead of 8=C2=BD.
>>=20
>> These will probably work, except acme hadn't been invented yet and sa=
m may or may not give an error the first time. (Checked with another dem=
o disk.) You probably do want to start the window system, there is no wa=
y to kill the foreground process without it.
>=20
> Acme (Alef version) is in 2ed; the single-floppy version doesn't seem =
to have the binary. Looking at the screenshot that Will sent me directly=
, the dates on the binaries match up to 2ed release.
I stand corrected.
> I'm pretty sure the four-floppy set that came with the CDROM has the a=
cme binary. I don't have any floppy drives that I trust to look at my co=
py.
I think I have images of those, could send them if desired. At least, th=
e ones I have are described like this in the README:
> The files in this directory recreate the four 1.44MB diskettes
> used to load a limited version of Plan 9 onto a PC. It is intended
> to let you try out Plan 9 before buying, in particular to see if
> the system supports your PC hardware.
They also contain fixes, perhaps over the iso? Anyway, if they contain i=
so9660, I imagine they're enough to get the iso installed.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:07:48 +0100
From: "Ethan Gardener"
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Early version of Floppy Demo
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Will Senn wrote:
> Interestingly enough, I found an old 4 floppy set of vd's in the same folder with the demo image. It looks like they are Nov 1995 (I apparently winimaged them from floppies back then). When I boot disk 1, it complains about not having an mbr partition and bails. I'm guessing it's expecting some OS and hard disk to be present to install to.
Huh! You noticed them just a little sooner than I did. Reading betweent he lines of the README, it looks like they were being very careful about MBR matters. I think a hard disk image with an empty MBR should be enough.