From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:45:21 -0300 From: "pedro henrique antunes de oliveira" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7321_4559618.1175802321472" Subject: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e4079fa-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_7321_4559618.1175802321472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why the www.bell-labs.com doesnt talks too much about plan9 (I, really, dont know if it talks about it, i never found anything about it there). Anyone knows? ------=_Part_7321_4559618.1175802321472 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why the www.bell-labs.com doesnt talks too much about plan9 (I, really, dont know if it talks about it, i never found anything about it there).

Anyone knows?
------=_Part_7321_4559618.1175802321472-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:15:12 -0400 From: "John Floren" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e59aa60-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/5/07, pedro henrique antunes de oliveira wrote: > why the www.bell-labs.com doesnt talks too much about plan9 (I, really, dont > know if it talks about it, i never found anything about it there). > > Anyone knows? > Because they have other fish to fry? I don't know for sure, but it seems like Bell Labs/Lucent doesn't really do anything with Plan 9 these days except host the server. Can somebody clue us in on this? Maybe one of the earlier coders can give some info? Thanks John -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <461569B2.8090504@conducive.org> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:27:14 +0800 From: W B Hacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061030 SeaMonkey/1.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e74da4c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 pedro henrique antunes de oliveira wrote: > why the www.bell-labs.com doesnt talks too much about plan9 (I, really, > dont > know if it talks about it, i never found anything about it there). > > Anyone knows? > Dunno why you are having trouble finding it. First hit Google produces, out of 'about 2,130,000' should lead you to the rest: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ Bill From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:33:51 -0300 From: "pedro henrique antunes de oliveira" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <461569B2.8090504@conducive.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8273_8827797.1175808831645" References: <461569B2.8090504@conducive.org> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e875a28-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_8273_8827797.1175808831645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i wasnt talk about this. i just want to know why in the bell-labs website www.bell-labs.com there arent anything about plan9 (if there are, they are almost nothing) ------=_Part_8273_8827797.1175808831645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i wasnt talk about this.
i just want to know why in the bell-labs website
www.bell-labs.com
there arent anything about plan9 (if there are, they are almost nothing)
------=_Part_8273_8827797.1175808831645-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <57b557bb0704051449l4723bc93m33530c3bf08fe908@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:49:25 -0400 From: "Fazlul Shahriar" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <461569B2.8090504@conducive.org> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e97a996-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd4y38DIESYGZzgH6kShiBvGOCJEgfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3NCIckdHRQA0CwaZ/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUMvNElVRS82X0FfNDdE scroll to the bottom. It's there, just hidden somewhere. fhs From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:51:12 -0300 From: "pedro henrique antunes de oliveira" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <57b557bb0704051449l4723bc93m33530c3bf08fe908@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8309_8230769.1175809872621" References: <461569B2.8090504@conducive.org> <57b557bb0704051449l4723bc93m33530c3bf08fe908@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e9d6e6c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_8309_8230769.1175809872621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice ------=_Part_8309_8230769.1175809872621 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice
------=_Part_8309_8230769.1175809872621-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4615709D.6060708@conducive.org> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:56:45 +0800 From: W B Hacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061030 SeaMonkey/1.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3ea3b1dc-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 John Floren wrote: > On 4/5/07, pedro henrique antunes de oliveira wrote: >> why the www.bell-labs.com doesnt talks too much about plan9 (I, >> really, dont >> know if it talks about it, i never found anything about it there). >> >> Anyone knows? >> > > Because they have other fish to fry? I don't know for sure, but it > seems like Bell Labs/Lucent doesn't really do anything with Plan 9 > these days except host the server. > Can somebody clue us in on this? Maybe one of the earlier coders can > give some info? > Thanks > > John The life-cycle is explained on the website: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs http://www.vitanuova.com/company/background.html Bill From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:57:26 -0400 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3eaa0992-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > it seems like Bell Labs/Lucent doesn't really do anything with Plan > 9 these days except host the server. 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O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 41714e74-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 MjAwNy80LzksIEJlbm4gTmV3bWFuIDxuZXdtYW5iZUBzZGYubG9uZXN0YXIub3JnPjoKPiBPbiAw NS8wNC8wNywgZ2VvZmZAcGxhbjkuYmVsbC1sYWJzLmNvbSA8Z2VvZmZAcGxhbjkuYmVsbC1sYWJz LmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gPiA+IGl0IHNlZW1zIGxpa2UgQmVsbCBMYWJzL0x1Y2VudCBkb2Vzbid0 IHJlYWxseSBkbyBhbnl0aGluZyB3aXRoIFBsYW4KPiA+ID4gOSB0aGVzZSBkYXlzIGV4Y2VwdCBo b3N0IHRoZSBzZXJ2ZXIuCj4gPgo+ID4gWW91IG9idmlvdXNseSBoYXZlbid0IGRvbmUgYSByZXBs aWNhL3B1bGwgbGF0ZWx5LiAg4pi6Cj4gPgo+IEl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIHJlYWxseSBuaWNlIGlmIHlv dSBtYWRlIGEgQ2hhbmdlTG9nIG9yIHVzZWQgcGF0Y2goMSkgc28KPiB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB1cyBj b3VsZCBlYXNpbHkgdGVsbCB3aGF0IHlvdSBkaWQuIOKYugoKSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGFza2luZyB1cmll bCB0byB3cml0ZSBhbiByYyBzY3JpcHQgZm9yIG1lIHRvIHJ1biwgYnV0IGhlCmRvZXNuJ3Qgc2Vl bSB0byB3YW50IHRvLiBUaGUgcHJlbWlzZSBpcyB0byBwYXJzZSBvdXRwdXQgb2YKcmVwbGljYS9w dWxsIGFuZCBwcm92aWRlIGRpZmYgLWMgb3V0cHV0IGZvciBhbGwgY2hhbmdlZCBub24tYmluYXJ5 CmZpbGVzLiBIZSBkb2Vzbid0IHNlZW0gdG8gd2FudCB0byBkbyB0aGlzIGJlY2F1c2UgaGUgc2F5 cyBoZSBkb2Vzbid0Cmxpa2UgaG93IHJlcGxpY2EvcHVsbCBbZG9lc24ndF0gd29yay4KCkJhc2lj YWxseSwgdGhlIHByZW1pc2UgaXMgdG8gdGFrZSB0aGUgb3V0cHV0IG9mIHJlcGxpY2EvcHVsbCwg ZmluZApub24tYmluYXJ5IGZpbGVzLCBydW4gaGlzdG9yeSBvbiBzb3VyY2VzZHVtcCBmb3IgdGhv c2UgZmlsZXMsIGRpZmYgLWMKdGhlIHR3bywgYW5kIHBsb3AgdGhhdCBpbiBzb21lIGZpbGUuIEkn bGwgcmVhZCB0aHJvdWdoIGl0IGFuZCBjcmVhdGUKY29tbWVudHMgb24gd2hhdCB0aGUgY2hhbmdl cyBhcmUuIElmIEkgaGF2ZSBhIHF1ZXN0aW9uLCBJJ2xsIGFzawpzb21lb25lLiBBbmQgSSdsbCBt YW51YWxseSBtYWludGFpbiBhIENoYW5nZUxvZyBvZiBzb3J0cy4KCk9uZSB0aGluZyB0aGF0IHRo aXMgd2lsbCBuZWVkIGlzIHN1cHBvcnQgZm9yIGEgJyonIHRhcmdldCBmb3IgLXMgKGFuZApJIGd1 ZXNzIGZvciAtYywgdG9vLCBqdXN0IGZvciBjb25zaXN0ZW5jeSkgdG8gcmVwbGljYS9hcHBseWxv Zy4gSSBoYXZlCmEgcGF0Y2ggZm9yIHRoaXMsIGFuZCBJJ2xsIHN1Ym1pdCBpdCBzaG9ydGx5LiBU aGlzIGZsYWcgd291bGQgbWFrZQphcHBseWxvZyBpZ25vcmUgYWxsIGNsaWVudC1zaWRlIChvciBz ZXJ2ZXItc2lkZSkgY2hhbmdlcywgdGhvdWdoIEkKc3VwcG9zZSB0aGUgbGF0dGVyIGlzIGFscmVh ZHkgcG9zc2libGUuCgpJZiB0aGVyZSdzIGEgYmV0dGVyIHdheSBmb3IgbWUgdG8gZ2V0IGRpZmZz IChvciBpZiB0aGV5IGNhbiBiZSBwaXBlZApkaXJlY3RseSB0byBteSBJbmJveCksIEknZCBiZSBn bGFkIHRvIG1haW50YWluIGEgQ2hhbmdlTG9nLgoKVGhhdCBzYWlkLCBJJ3ZlIGFsc28gYmVlbiB3 b3JraW5nIG9uIGEgdmFjLWJhc2VkIFNDTS4gU2VlIGFsc28KL24vc291cmNlcy9jb250cmliL2Ro by92Y3MvCgotLWRobwoKPiAtLQo+IEJlbm4gTmV3bWFuCg== From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:55:23 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4176bdfa-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Apr 9 10:50:37 EDT 2007, devon.odell@gmail.com wrote: > I've been asking uriel to write an rc script for me to run, but he > doesn't seem to want to. The premise is to parse output of > replica/pull and provide diff -c output for all changed non-binary > files. He doesn't seem to want to do this because he says he doesn't > like how replica/pull [doesn't] work. > what do you mean by this? - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090801w261b45f0r1a166070c9ab0b66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:01:12 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 417ca058-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 MjAwNy80LzksIERldm9uIEguIE8nRGVsbCA8ZGV2b24ub2RlbGxAZ21haWwuY29tPjoKPiAyMDA3 LzQvOSwgQmVubiBOZXdtYW4gPG5ld21hbmJlQHNkZi5sb25lc3Rhci5vcmc+Ogo+ID4gT24gMDUv MDQvMDcsIGdlb2ZmQHBsYW45LmJlbGwtbGFicy5jb20gPGdlb2ZmQHBsYW45LmJlbGwtbGFicy5j b20+IHdyb3RlOgo+ID4gPiA+IGl0IHNlZW1zIGxpa2UgQmVsbCBMYWJzL0x1Y2VudCBkb2Vzbid0 IHJlYWxseSBkbyBhbnl0aGluZyB3aXRoIFBsYW4KPiA+ID4gPiA5IHRoZXNlIGRheXMgZXhjZXB0 IGhvc3QgdGhlIHNlcnZlci4KPiA+ID4KPiA+ID4gWW91IG9idmlvdXNseSBoYXZlbid0IGRvbmUg YSByZXBsaWNhL3B1bGwgbGF0ZWx5LiAg4pi6Cj4gPiA+Cj4gPiBJdCB3b3VsZCBiZSByZWFsbHkg bmljZSBpZiB5b3UgbWFkZSBhIENoYW5nZUxvZyBvciB1c2VkIHBhdGNoKDEpIHNvCj4gPiB0aGUg cmVzdCBvZiB1cyBjb3VsZCBlYXNpbHkgdGVsbCB3aGF0IHlvdSBkaWQuIOKYugo+Cj4gSWYgdGhl cmUncyBhIGJldHRlciB3YXkgZm9yIG1lIHRvIGdldCBkaWZmcyAob3IgaWYgdGhleSBjYW4gYmUg cGlwZWQKPiBkaXJlY3RseSB0byBteSBJbmJveCksIEknZCBiZSBnbGFkIHRvIG1haW50YWluIGEg Q2hhbmdlTG9nLgoKSW4gZmFjdCwgSSBzZWVtIHRvIHJlY2FsbCB0aGUgbGFzdCB0aW1lIFVyaWVs IHdhcyB5ZWxsaW5nIGFib3V0IHRoaXMKb24gdGhlIGxpc3QsIFJ1c3Mgb2ZmZXJlZCB0byBkbyBl eGFjdGx5IHRoaXMuIElzIHRoaXMgb2ZmZXIgc3RpbGwKYXZhaWxhYmxlPyBJdCdkIHNhdmUgbWUg c29tZSB0aW1lIGFuZCBlZmZvcnQgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGZpZ3VyZSBvdXQgaG93CnRvIHJldmVydCBh IHJlcGxpY2EvcHVsbC4KClNwZWFraW5nIG9mIHdoaWNoLCBob3cgX2RvZXNfIG9uZSByZXBsaWNh L3B1bGwgdG8gYSBwcmV2aW91cyBkYXRlPwoKLS1kaG8K From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090808x410679d6ga64838b3be76e55b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:08:49 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 418326c6-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, erik quanstrom : > On Mon Apr 9 10:50:37 EDT 2007, devon.odell@gmail.com wrote: > > I've been asking uriel to write an rc script for me to run, but he > > doesn't seem to want to. The premise is to parse output of > > replica/pull and provide diff -c output for all changed non-binary > > files. He doesn't seem to want to do this because he says he doesn't > > like how replica/pull [doesn't] work. > > > > what do you mean by this? ``I don't know'' and I don't really care either. Apparently he doesn't like that it takes forever and that it has the habit of wiping things out sometimes. That's my understanding of his explanation, anyway. I'd rather not go down this thread though because I don't really want to talk about why this work isn't happening, but rather what can be done to make it happen and actually getting it done. > - erik --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:22:27 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 418aa220-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 possibly inflammatory question: the ideas I've seen proposed so far don't seem superior in any way to, e.g., mercurial. Please note, I am sorry if this letter sounds offensive, I do not intend it to be. If, somehow, the proposed ideas represent a huge leap in 'something', it would be nice to know what 'something' is; I'm not getting it from the descriptions. So far, it all sounds like a bit of a kludge to cover for our lack of tools and time to build them. If, instead, the proposed ideas are more of the usual "There is a better non-Plan 9 system but we don't run it because we (a) can't compile it (b) don't have software to run it (c) we didn't invent it (i.e. NIH)", well, then, it's time to start bringing those better systems in, and put our efforts elsewhere. My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are close to having it. We've got python, almost. We've just about got python modules -- actually, I've had them for months. Lots of bits work that did not used to. We really are pretty close. Take the best of both worlds, in other words, and create something new. But, if you can take other's good work, that can be a timesaver. thanks ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:24:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090808x410679d6ga64838b3be76e55b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4195420c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Apr 9 11:08:49 EDT 2007, devon.odell@gmail.com wrote: > > what do you mean by this? > > ``I don't know'' and I don't really care either. Apparently he doesn't > like that it takes forever and that it has the habit of wiping things > out sometimes. That's my understanding of his explanation, anyway. > > I'd rather not go down this thread though because I don't really want > to talk about why this work isn't happening, but rather what can be > done to make it happen and actually getting it done. rather a worked-up response for a simple question. for the record, i think many people on this list are interested in fixing things. if this is a pet project of yours, why don't you work on fixing it? unfortunately, i don't have very much spare time right now. there are drivers to write. i have also noticed that replica/applylog has a problem. when i started experimenting with copying history from our old fileserver to the new one, i started using replica/updatedb and replica/applylog. updatedb worked very well, but applylog hung for me pretty consistantly. my thought was that applylog has a threading deadlock, but i didn't spent much time thinking about it. one thing that does help quite a bit is to use replica/compactdb on your local database. that is in /dist/replica/plan9.db. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090830r7219382eqb247bd0fc26d32ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:30:58 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 419a652a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, ron minnich : > possibly inflammatory question: the ideas I've seen proposed so far > don't seem superior in any way to, e.g., mercurial. > > Please note, I am sorry if this letter sounds offensive, I do not > intend it to be. > > If, somehow, the proposed ideas represent a huge leap in 'something', > it would be nice to know what 'something' is; I'm not getting it from > the descriptions. So far, it all sounds like a bit of a kludge to > cover for our lack of tools and time to build them. > > If, instead, the proposed ideas are more of the usual "There is a > better non-Plan 9 system but we don't run it because we (a) can't > compile it (b) don't have software to run it (c) we didn't invent it > (i.e. NIH)", well, then, it's time to start bringing those better > systems in, and put our efforts elsewhere. That's in part what vcs is supposed to be, but I don't think it's really going to be good for anything other than small projects any time soon. I've asked you several times off-list about the status of Python and hg and getting these to work, but I haven't received a response yet, so I don't know if you got them. I got hg partially working, but then ran into dependencies on signal handlers and didn't take the time to remove them / change them to use Notes. Any information on the hg status and how one can help with that would be nice. > My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > close to having it. We've got python, almost. We've just about got > python modules -- actually, I've had them for months. Lots of bits > work that did not used to. We really are pretty close. > > Take the best of both worlds, in other words, and create something > new. But, if you can take other's good work, that can be a timesaver. > > thanks > > ron As far as an SCM goes, it would be nice to have one, but I'm sure it has to run in Plan 9. The big problem that I have with hg and my own vcs is that neither is really suited for maintaining multiple branches. At this point, vcs is small and incomplete enough to make this doable, but it's going to be way too slow anyway. And it's not going to be in a complete enough state to manage an OS for quite some time to come, either. --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <160b8b18ca5720d6144ba0b9e75c0b30@coraid.com> From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:32:52 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 419fcf1a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > available? It'd save me some time and effort trying to figure out how > to revert a replica/pull. > > Speaking of which, how _does_ one replica/pull to a previous date? > > --dho there are lots of ways to do this, but a particular senerio would be helpful. for example, if you wanted to pull only up to date x, then you could just edit the log and delete entries that come later. you can always mount sourcesdump and either copy or mount what you'd like if you have a problem with a particular package. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090840l8535d87x635f8b938e9e5075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:40:04 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090808x410679d6ga64838b3be76e55b@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 41a52c6c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, erik quanstrom : > On Mon Apr 9 11:08:49 EDT 2007, devon.odell@gmail.com wrote: > > > what do you mean by this? > > > > ``I don't know'' and I don't really care either. Apparently he doesn't > > like that it takes forever and that it has the habit of wiping things > > out sometimes. That's my understanding of his explanation, anyway. > > > > I'd rather not go down this thread though because I don't really want > > to talk about why this work isn't happening, but rather what can be > > done to make it happen and actually getting it done. > > rather a worked-up response for a simple question. I didn't mean to come across as inflamed or sarcastic, rather to imply that I don't really care what Uriel's complaints are about because they don't address the issue. Also, my experience with this list is that tangents like this end up going off into oblivion with no resolution and I don't want that to happen for this issue. So again, apologies if I seemed worked up or irritated; that wasn't the intention. > for the record, i think many people on this list are interested in > fixing things. if this is a pet project of yours, why don't you work > on fixing it? unfortunately, i don't have very much spare time right now. > there are drivers to write. I was originally trying to get Uriel to put his code where his mouth is (or at least where it used to be). And I'm trying to work on fixing it -- right now by analyzing what has been said and done in the past, since this is certainly not a new `issue'. If there are already utilities to grab diffs like this and / or a means to send diffs in the mail, that would be an easy and ideal solution and would save time :). I know that discussing it to death on a mailing list is more on the wasting time scale and if I think it starts getting to that point, I'll just quit and write my own stuff to do it. (And to some degree, I already am with vcs) > i have also noticed that replica/applylog has a problem. when i started > experimenting with copying history from our old fileserver to the new > one, i started using replica/updatedb and replica/applylog. updatedb > worked very well, but applylog hung for me pretty consistantly. > > my thought was that applylog has a threading deadlock, but i didn't spent > much time thinking about it. one thing that does help quite a bit is to use > replica/compactdb on your local database. that is in /dist/replica/plan9.db. > > - erik I've only just started getting into the replica code, so I'm not sure what this would be indicative of (I'm sure your understanding is far better than mine). So maybe to go further down that path (and I would _love_ to get input from Bell Labs people because they're really the ones that have the power to yay or nay any of this), is replica/* still an ideal manner for getting updates? Are there potentially better ways to do this? --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090844g4a719e9cgc0c6b965338f79f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:44:23 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <160b8b18ca5720d6144ba0b9e75c0b30@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <160b8b18ca5720d6144ba0b9e75c0b30@coraid.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 41b26288-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, erik quanstrom : > > available? It'd save me some time and effort trying to figure out how > > to revert a replica/pull. > > > > Speaking of which, how _does_ one replica/pull to a previous date? > > > > --dho > > there are lots of ways to do this, but a particular senerio would be helpful. > for example, if you wanted to pull only up to date x, then you could just edit > the log and delete entries that come later. you can always mount sourcesdump > and either copy or mount what you'd like if you have a problem with a particular > package. > > - erik The scenario being, I want to test my hypothetical replica/applylog action parser / diff generator. I run pull, which grabs stuff, but I've made changes to xyz.c and that file doesn't get modified because of local changes. So I want to roll back my log so I can run pull again with -s /sys/src/cmd/xyz.c This wouldn't be an issue if we added a '*' option to replica/pull for the -c and -s flags. But I'll send a patch for that shortly and see if that gets committed. --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:50:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4233b608-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 devon: > One thing that this will need is support for a '*' target for -s (and > I guess for -c, too, just for consistency) to replica/applylog. I have > a patch for this, and I'll submit it shortly. This flag would make > applylog ignore all client-side (or server-side) changes, though I > suppose the latter is already possible. Since the arguments to -c and -s are just string prefixes, you can use -c '' or -s '' already. I admit it is non-standard. However, you'd be better off not using replica/pull as the input to a differ, but instead using replica's change file /n/sources/plan9/dist/replica/plan9.log. Replica(8) describes the format: A replica is further described on the server by a textual log listing creation and deletion of files and changes to file contents and metadata. Each line is of the form: time gen verb path serverpath mode uid gid mtime length The time and gen fields are both decimal numbers, providing an ordering for log entries so that incremental tools need not process the whole log each time they are run. The verb, a single character, describes the event: addition of a file (a), deletion of a file (d), a change to a file's contents (c), or a change to a file's metadata (m). Path is the file path on the client; serverpath the path on the server (these are different when the optional fifth field in a proto file line is given; see proto(2)). Mode, uid, gid, and mtime are the files metadata as in the Dir structure (see stat(5)). For deletion events, the metadata is that of the deleted file. For other events, the metadata is that after the event. It would be easiest to pick the two most recent dumps in /n/sourcesdump, diff the plan9.log files to pick out the new lines, and then run diffs between the two different dump roots. This is what we used to do when we (I) annotated all the changes to produce /n/sources/extra/changes. But it was far too much work to do the annotations and not enough people cared, so we stopped that particular experiment. erik: > i have also noticed that replica/applylog has a problem. when i started > experimenting with copying history from our old fileserver to the new > one, i started using replica/updatedb and replica/applylog. updatedb > worked very well, but applylog hung for me pretty consistantly. Did you ever use acid to get a stack trace from the `hung' applylogs? The only threading in applylog is an implementation of something like fcp to copy files using multiple outstanding 9P read requests. Since no one else seems to have had problems, I would guess that there were just some requests that made your file server thrash. But stack traces would make the answer very clear. ron: > My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > close to having it. We've got python, almost. We've just about got > python modules -- actually, I've had them for months. Lots of bits > work that did not used to. We really are pretty close. Echoing Ron, I think having Mercurial would be great and doable. If someone makes a Mercurial client work, I will be happy to make a Mercurial repository that mirrors sources automatically. Also echoing Ron, a venti-based SCM sounds similar to git, which is an SCM built on top of a hash-addressed object store (that happens not to be named venti). It would be nice to know you're not reinventing git, especially since in my experience the fact that git is hash-addressed makes many things a lot harder and slower (although I am sure it has advantages). devon: > In fact, I seem to recall the last time Uriel was yelling about this > on the list, Russ offered to do exactly this. Is this offer still > available? It'd save me some time and effort trying to figure out how > to revert a replica/pull. I put a copy of the script we used to use in /n/sources/contrib/rsc/makemail. Use at your own risk. It probably deserves to be rewritten in a better language. devon again: > So maybe to go further down that path (and I would > _love_ to get input from Bell Labs people because they're really the > ones that have the power to yay or nay any of this), is replica/* > still an ideal manner for getting updates? Are there potentially > better ways to do this? There are things that replica doesn't do very well. I wish you could tell it to back up, or to back out local changes, and so on, but the core functionality works well, and I would be wary of falling into the CADT Model trap (ask Google). devon again: > The scenario being, I want to test my hypothetical replica/applylog > action parser / diff generator. I run pull, which grabs stuff, but > I've made changes to xyz.c and that file doesn't get modified because > of local changes. So I want to roll back my log so I can run pull > again with -s /sys/src/cmd/xyz.c Your thinking is stuck in the maze of twisty little passages that is modern Unix and its version control systems. Replica is a file distribution mechanism, not a version control system. On Plan 9, one would do this with the dump file system. 9fs sourcesdump and look around -- you've got all the info there you could possibly want to produce diffs. You don't even need to copy anything to your local machine. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:15:15 +0200 From: Martin Neubauer To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Message-ID: <20070409161515.GA874@shodan.homeunix.net> References: <160b8b18ca5720d6144ba0b9e75c0b30@coraid.com> <9ab217670704090844g4a719e9cgc0c6b965338f79f5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090844g4a719e9cgc0c6b965338f79f5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Topicbox-Message-UUID: 423c5dbc-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 * Devon H. O'Dell (devon.odell@gmail.com) wrote: > The scenario being, I want to test my hypothetical replica/applylog > action parser / diff generator. I run pull, which grabs stuff, but > I've made changes to xyz.c and that file doesn't get modified because > of local changes. So I want to roll back my log so I can run pull > again with -s /sys/src/cmd/xyz.c > > This wouldn't be an issue if we added a '*' option to replica/pull for > the -c and -s flags. But I'll send a patch for that shortly and see if > that gets committed. > > --dho I'm not sure how serious that really is. You can always run ``pull -n'' (actually, I regularly do); and if you positively want to replace every locally modified file you can pipe the output through some trivial awk. Martin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704090918x313c4f0dr6476bbe7e1e66590@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:18:43 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42432746-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, Russ Cox : > devon: > > One thing that this will need is support for a '*' target for -s (and > > I guess for -c, too, just for consistency) to replica/applylog. I have > > a patch for this, and I'll submit it shortly. This flag would make > > applylog ignore all client-side (or server-side) changes, though I > > suppose the latter is already possible. > > Since the arguments to -c and -s are just string prefixes, you > can use -c '' or -s '' already. I admit it is non-standard. Ah, ok. I did a cursory glance over the matching code and ISTR it using strcmp so I assumed it was a full match. In this case, I'll send a patch for the manpage describing this (after I read it again and determine that I didn't just miss something). > However, you'd be better off not using replica/pull as > the input to a differ, but instead using replica's change file > /n/sources/plan9/dist/replica/plan9.log. Replica(8) describes > the format: > [snip] > It would be easiest to pick the two most recent dumps in > /n/sourcesdump, diff the plan9.log files to pick out the > new lines, and then run diffs between the two different > dump roots. This is what we used to do when we (I) annotated > all the changes to produce /n/sources/extra/changes. > But it was far too much work to do the annotations and > not enough people cared, so we stopped that particular > experiment. I'll look into this. It does indeed seem to be a much more achievable goal. > erik: >[snip: not for me] > > ron: > > My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > > mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > > close to having it. We've got python, almost. We've just about got > > python modules -- actually, I've had them for months. Lots of bits > > work that did not used to. We really are pretty close. > > Echoing Ron, I think having Mercurial would be great and doable. > If someone makes a Mercurial client work, I will be happy to make > a Mercurial repository that mirrors sources automatically. Well, I prefer to not duplicate work, and the Python that I get from Ron's website needs coaxing to build. Also, after doing that, setup.py needed extra modules compiled in to the config. After that, it setup.py needed the signal modules and that's when I got fed up. If there's a Python port that builds a working python when I type `mk', I'll start looking at it again, but I even had to edit the mkfile to add the -x flag to 8l so it would do the dynamic linking magic. I would be glad to work on getting this done, but I get the feeling from Ron's postings that the code he has working is different than the code I got from him. Ron: if you could clarify this for me, I'd really appreciate it, because I'd definitely like to get the ball rolling on this subject. > Also echoing Ron, a venti-based SCM sounds similar to git, > which is an SCM built on top of a hash-addressed object store > (that happens not to be named venti). It would be nice to know > you're not reinventing git, especially since in my experience > the fact that git is hash-addressed makes many things a lot > harder and slower (although I am sure it has advantages). I may be. I have never used git, and probably never will. I'm actually trying to make something that is more similar to Perforce, but I'm not sure that this is possible with doing what I'm doing using a vac backend. Right now it's more experimental. If anybody would like to use it for anything, what I currently have in /n/sources/contrib/dho/vcs _does_ work for all intents and purposes, it's just incomplete. However, I think 90% of the groundwork is there. > devon: > > In fact, I seem to recall the last time Uriel was yelling about this > > on the list, Russ offered to do exactly this. Is this offer still > > available? It'd save me some time and effort trying to figure out how > > to revert a replica/pull. > > I put a copy of the script we used to use in > /n/sources/contrib/rsc/makemail. Use at your own risk. > It probably deserves to be rewritten in a better language. I will take a look at this. > devon again: > > So maybe to go further down that path (and I would > > _love_ to get input from Bell Labs people because they're really the > > ones that have the power to yay or nay any of this), is replica/* > > still an ideal manner for getting updates? Are there potentially > > better ways to do this? > > There are things that replica doesn't do very well. I wish you > could tell it to back up, or to back out local changes, and so on, > but the core functionality works well, and I would be wary of > falling into the CADT Model trap (ask Google). Right, I did ask Google just now, and that makes sense. It is a valid worry. I guess that the issue is that we currently sort of use replica for distributing versions of our system, and, as you say below, it's not a version control utility. More below. > devon again: > > The scenario being, I want to test my hypothetical replica/applylog > > action parser / diff generator. I run pull, which grabs stuff, but > > I've made changes to xyz.c and that file doesn't get modified because > > of local changes. So I want to roll back my log so I can run pull > > again with -s /sys/src/cmd/xyz.c > > Your thinking is stuck in the maze of twisty little passages > that is modern Unix and its version control systems. > Replica is a file distribution mechanism, not a version > control system. Well, the problem is that replica/pull won't update a file if it has already found a conflict. (At least, I couldn't get it to earlier). I will try re-retrieving with -s ''; I guess my question is whether I should expect this to work. Specific example, /sys/src/cmd/ip/ping.c was modified for my hushping patch, but pull didn't grab it because I had modified the copy there. If I run pull again with -s '', will it get that file this time? However, as I said, we do use replica to keep systems `up to date', so we do have some sort of versioned mentality in its usage. But it would be nice to actually have some sort of SCM (hg, vcs, cvs or what-have-you) as an option as well. > On Plan 9, one would do this with the dump file system. > 9fs sourcesdump and look around -- you've got all the info > there you could possibly want to produce diffs. You don't > even need to copy anything to your local machine. I'll follow your earlier advice for diff generation and take a look at your makemail script. > Russ Thanks for the information; it seems rather useful. --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:23:40 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42495d00-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Apr 9 11:50:41 EDT 2007, rsc@swtch.com wrote: > erik: > > i have also noticed that replica/applylog has a problem. when i started > > experimenting with copying history from our old fileserver to the new > > one, i started using replica/updatedb and replica/applylog. updatedb > > worked very well, but applylog hung for me pretty consistantly. > > Did you ever use acid to get a stack trace from the `hung' applylogs? > The only threading in applylog is an implementation of something > like fcp to copy files using multiple outstanding 9P read requests. > Since no one else seems to have had problems, I would guess that > there were just some requests that made your file server thrash. > But stack traces would make the answer very clear. i apologize for not having a backtrace, they looked uninformative at the time. what i rememer was that applylog was not doing any i/o at the time. (unless it was reading the same blocks over and over.) in once instance, applylog had the same /proc/$pid/fd for 4 hrs and generated no system load at all. the one problem i do see that was not my case (i was working on two successive days from the dump) is that there is no maximum number of tries to keep a file from changing underfoot. a log file competing with a slow link could be problematic. restarting it where it left off (with an initial line number) generally fixed the problem. i didn't mention it at the time because i didn't get to the bottom of the problem. i'll try to recreate the problem with a backtrace, but anyone else is welcome to beat me to it. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <461A6DFF.6070405@proweb.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:46:55 +0100 From: matt User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20060326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <9ab217670704090918x313c4f0dr6476bbe7e1e66590@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090918x313c4f0dr6476bbe7e1e66590@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 424ec51a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I don't know which bits are missing from Ron's port but the PyPy.org project has been making a pure python version of python. I've been using bits of it on Nokia Series 60 Python which says it's 2.2 but doesn't have all the 2.2 libs [such as Pickle, collections, mutex]), still no crypt though, so no using Newsham's py9p The other plan 9 python is 2.2 also http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/extra/python.iso.bz2 Just FYI From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:07:17 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 425918da-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > This is what we used to do when we (I) annotated > all the changes to produce /n/sources/extra/changes. > But it was far too much work to do the annotations and > not enough people cared, so we stopped that particular > experiment. There are 75 people subscribed to the plan9changes[1] mailing list, is that not enough people that care? uriel [1] http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:11:51 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 425ee404-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, Uriel : > > This is what we used to do when we (I) annotated > > all the changes to produce /n/sources/extra/changes. > > But it was far too much work to do the annotations and > > not enough people cared, so we stopped that particular > > experiment. > > There are 75 people subscribed to the plan9changes[1] mailing list, is > that not enough people that care? Can we not go down this road? I'm offering to take up maintaining /n/sources/extra/changes for the People Who Do. Arguing about the past isn't going to help us progress into the future. > uriel > > [1] http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:32:31 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42645da8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > 2007/4/9, Uriel : > > There are 75 people subscribed to the plan9changes[1] mailing list, is > > that not enough people that care? > > Can we not go down this road? I'm offering to take up maintaining > /n/sources/extra/changes for the People Who Do. Arguing about the past > isn't going to help us progress into the future. I am not arguing about the past, but I don't like people rewriting history, if russ didn't want to keep updating the changelog, that is fine, it was nice that he did it for a while, and it is his choice how he spends his time; but claiming that nobody cared is ridiculous. And I am pointing how many people care right now. If you or anyone is going to maintain /n/sources/extra/changes, that will be really fantastic and will make many people happy. Of course, I don't think this is the right way to do things, the easiest and most useful way to do it is for the person who makes the change to writes down what the change is supposed to do, but I guess this is a crazy suggestion in the Plan 9 universe. An hg port would be very useful, and I would not mind if Plan 9 used to maintain its codebase and distribute changes (I don't like replica, you can check 9fans archives for some of the reasons, but in short: it is slow, unreliable, and awkward to use.) Once we find out if the code ron put in 9grid.net (now mirrored in sources) is the latest, I might try to help dho get python and hg running on Plan 9. Dho and me are still waiting to hear back from ron about this after many unanswered private emails. It also would be nice if ron and the other LANL folks could reveal (and release) the state of their gcc port. Best wishes uriel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:51:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090918x313c4f0dr6476bbe7e1e66590@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20070409175040.F16EB1E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 426ff51e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > should expect this to work. Specific example, /sys/src/cmd/ip/ping.c > was modified for my hushping patch, but pull didn't grab it because I > had modified the copy there. If I run pull again with -s '', will it > get that file this time? You get one override per line in plan9.log. If you have already run replica -c sys/src/cmd/ip/ping.c, then future pulls will not worry about the change that just happened. Future changes will make new conflicts that you'll have to resolve. If you haven't done that, then you can still run pull -s sys/src/cmd/ip/ping.c and will get the new one. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:02:44 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704090830r7219382eqb247bd0fc26d32ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090830r7219382eqb247bd0fc26d32ca@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42759168-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > I've asked you several times off-list about the status of > Python and hg and getting these to work, but I haven't received a > response yet, so I don't know if you got them. I owe you an apology for that ... I'm sorry. What I've been trying to do is find a way to apply $$$ to someone to 1) get my python stuff reworked in a more correct fashion 2) get the work done to put that code back in the mainstream. This has not happened as soon as I might have hoped, because everyone is (always) overworked. I have put my python work to date at 9grid.net, I think this is it, tell me if I screwed up! http://9grid.net/magic/webls?dir=/rminnich/src (and we should all ask andrey and aki to give us webls ... :-) >Any > information on the hg status and how one can help with that would be > nice. status: For Hg, I needed ssh2. We don't have it. So I got paramiko-tools. It needed pycrypto. I got those. Pycrypto needed multiple fixes to the Python port, which I made; I got the pycrypto stuff to actually work. (and, along the way, realized that Python plays C tricks that ought not to be played, but that's another story ... these Python C tricks required me to hack things so that type-safety was set to "OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF") Then I prepared to release it. Then I realized, that, me releasing crypto would be a *really* *stupid* thing to do, given where I work and the state of export control and so on and so forth. SO, ... I stopped. Then you made me realize that I was being stupid, and should have thought of Hg port in terms of file trees, not ssh, and now I have to go look at this again. On plan 9, if you don't first do these tools with either file trees or 9p, you are being dumb, and I was being dumb in not thinking in those terms. But, we still really need an ssh2 transport, at some point, because that's what The Rest of The World, in their blindness, uses for most of their Hg repos. > As far as an SCM goes, it would be nice to have one, but I'm sure it > has to run in Plan 9. The big problem that I have with hg and my own > vcs is that neither is really suited for maintaining multiple > branches. Are you sure about Hg in this case? The xen tree is about the size of the plan 9 kernel, for sure, and maybe all of /sys/src, and there are lots of Xen trees out there. I have not used Hg enough to say, but my observation is that it has worked well for xen in distributed repo mode. Thanks, and sorry I was so uncommunicative on the python stuff. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:03:53 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 427bab48-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, Uriel wrote: > It also would be nice if ron and the other LANL folks could reveal > (and release) the state of their gcc port. > Sorry about that. What's at 9grid.net is the latest from me. Note that I am no longer at LANL, but am at Sandia Labs in livermore, ca. Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group? ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704091107g1dd00f05m354ad53b26ec601@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:07:04 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4281479c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/9, ron minnich : > On 4/9/07, Uriel wrote: > > > It also would be nice if ron and the other LANL folks could reveal > > (and release) the state of their gcc port. > > > > Sorry about that. What's at 9grid.net is the latest from me. > > Note that I am no longer at LANL, but am at Sandia Labs in livermore, ca. > > Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group? There was last year when I lived there. I'm in New York now :( > ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:11:04 -0400 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4286d1da-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Everybody should have webls; it's /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/httpd/webls.c and /n/sources/plan9/386/bin/ip/httpd/webls. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <14ec7b180704091114l44bd4aeeldd027ad87b9798d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:14:45 -0600 From: "andrey mirtchovski" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42902a8c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 as far as i remember webls was written by dan cross. the non-standard thing of 9grid's httpd is the use of full regular expressions in its rewrite file as well as other minor tweaks. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704091404q54ef59eeva00b2a74397095ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:04:41 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180704091114l44bd4aeeldd027ad87b9798d4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> <14ec7b180704091114l44bd4aeeldd027ad87b9798d4@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42a3da32-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > as far as i remember webls was written by dan cross. > > the non-standard thing of 9grid's httpd is the use of full regular > expressions in its rewrite file as well as other minor tweaks. > Sorry, I was confused; but AFAIK the "andrey/aki version" has some nice features. Can they be included in the distro? thanks ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9f3897940704091501s1cb77d13n717071dc34604a23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:01:57 +0200 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Pawe=C5=82_Lasek?=" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090830r7219382eqb247bd0fc26d32ca@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091102x67bd8063s2a69e4e2d3e2b891@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42a96236-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, ron minnich wrote: > > > As far as an SCM goes, it would be nice to have one, but I'm sure it > > has to run in Plan 9. The big problem that I have with hg and my own > > vcs is that neither is really suited for maintaining multiple > > branches. > > Are you sure about Hg in this case? The xen tree is about the size of > the plan 9 kernel, for sure, and maybe all of /sys/src, and there are > lots of Xen trees out there. I have not used Hg enough to say, but my > observation is that it has worked well for xen in distributed repo > mode. AFAIK, Sun moves the whole OpenSolaris tree (kernel, userspace, docs, EVERYTHING) into Mercurial. They IIRC use "forest" add-on to manage multiple trees (for different parts of the system) at once. I think Hg with it's tree backed up into Venti would be great thing to have :-) And for big projects... I heard something about Vesta, but judging from the webpage it's really complex system and Unix only. > ron > -- Paul Lasek From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:03:39 -0700 From: "Christopher Nielsen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42b0d034-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 if there isn't, we should start one. i am in san francisco. though, i am about to depart for fire season, but i'll be back some time in november. On 4/9/07, ron minnich wrote: > > Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group? > > ron > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:26:35 -0400 From: Kris Maglione To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Message-ID: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42b7bf7a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:22:27AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: >My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with >mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are >close to having it. I'd think that it would be practically a no-op, but I'm not sure of hg's=20 locking semantics. I'd say that it would be a very good idea to support=20 cpu and ssh, though, since ssh uses a separate protocol which should be=20 significantly faster than just doing the work over 9P. Again, I'm not=20 sure of the details. --=20 Kris Maglione There's no time like the present for postponing what you don't want to do. --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGGsurseQZD8Aui4wRAvt8AJ94YSipXxUOSrz105Mhbw8rDZykAACfWUNN U34f/jM6oMQfD5WMlBi/1NA= =6XFq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:41:58 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42c21696-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 All, I am interested as well. I'm in the Silicon Valley area. leb At 4:03 PM -0700 4/9/07, Christopher Nielsen wrote: >if there isn't, we should start one. i am in san francisco. >though, i am about to depart for fire season, but i'll be back some >time in november. > >On 4/9/07, ron minnich wrote: >> >>Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group? >> >>ron >> > > >-- >Christopher Nielsen >"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary >safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:12:18 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42ceb9c8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I can see if sandia can make a meeting room available, but at the same time, we're out in the sticks as far as Si valley is concerned. What's a good way to do this? thanks ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704091714l1970f01ah5bf84e204fadac76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:14:29 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d3530220704051415k79bab7efg97b140b77f4fdfba@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704090822n2f4fe2mf26cc042e9de7de0@mail.gmail.com> <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42da9e1e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/9/07, Kris Maglione wrote: >I'd say that it would be a very good idea to support > cpu and ssh, though, since ssh uses a separate protocol which should be > significantly faster than just doing the work over 9P. I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. But, that said, I will try to see what hg will want ... BTW, I do recommend that you all take a look at Xen 3 and Plan 9. I just needed to check something out and having a plan 9 instance up and running in 6 seconds is really, really nice. Thanks ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:15:56 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42e0c67c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i don't understand why ssh "using a seperate protocol" implies that it should be significantly faster than 9p. could you explain why you think this? On Mon Apr 9 19:27:33 EDT 2007, bsdaemon@comcast.net wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:22:27AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: > >My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > >mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > >close to having it. > > I'd think that it would be practically a no-op, but I'm not sure of hg's > locking semantics. I'd say that it would be a very good idea to support > cpu and ssh, though, since ssh uses a separate protocol which should be > significantly faster than just doing the work over 9P. Again, I'm not > sure of the details. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704091741m73bf3dacnb0f28c2a58ab0647@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:41:23 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42e65682-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 One word: latency. By the way, is anyone working on the solutions to the latency problem we discussed at IWP9? I know nemo has a somewhat different solution with OP but I still would like to see something backwards compatible with existing 9P. uriel On 4/10/07, erik quanstrom wrote: > i don't understand why ssh "using a seperate protocol" implies that it should > be significantly faster than 9p. could you explain why you think this? > > On Mon Apr 9 19:27:33 EDT 2007, bsdaemon@comcast.net wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:22:27AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: > > >My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > > >mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > > >close to having it. > > > > I'd think that it would be practically a no-op, but I'm not sure of hg's > > locking semantics. I'd say that it would be a very good idea to support > > cpu and ssh, though, since ssh uses a separate protocol which should be > > significantly faster than just doing the work over 9P. Again, I'm not > > sure of the details. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:08:36 -0400 From: Kris Maglione To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 Message-ID: <20070410010836.GB3187@kris.home> References: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42ecac58-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:15:56PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: >i don't understand why ssh "using a seperate protocol" implies that it sho= uld >be significantly faster than 9p. could you explain why you think this? I don't know the specifics, but I do know that there is a protocol used=20 for HTTP and SSH which are designed to speed up operations on the=20 repository. I think it relates to the fact that parsing the FS would=20 require many synchronous round-trips which would be faster locally. I=20 believe that the paper elaborates. --=20 Kris Maglione When you need to knock on wood is when you realize the world's composed of aluminum and vinyl. --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGGuOUseQZD8Aui4wRAjhdAJ0YlIxtnUpmrF9gTkuskT88QUWSugCcDKuX D9dPTTzAPTYqSyM7oXwRWUI= =lXXK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:17:29 -0700 From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12450_4876697.1176167849505" References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42f2769c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_12450_4876697.1176167849505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am interested too. I am also in the Silicon Valley area. Thanks dharani On 4/9/07, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: > > All, > > I am interested as well. I'm in the Silicon Valley area. > > leb > > > At 4:03 PM -0700 4/9/07, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > >if there isn't, we should start one. i am in san francisco. > >though, i am about to depart for fire season, but i'll be back some > >time in november. > > > >On 4/9/07, ron minnich wrote: > >> > >>Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group? > >> > >>ron > >> > > > > > >-- > >Christopher Nielsen > >"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary > >safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin > > > ------=_Part_12450_4876697.1176167849505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I am interested too. I am also in the Silicon Valley area.
 
Thanks
dharani

 
On 4/9/07, Lawrence E. Bakst <ml@iridescent.org> wrote:
All,

I am interested as well. I'm in the Silicon Valley area.

leb


At 4:03 PM -0700 4/9/07, Christopher Nielsen wrote:
>if there isn't, we should start one. i am in san francisco.
>though, i am about to depart for fire season, but i'll be back some
>time in november.
>
>On 4/9/07, ron minnich < rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Gee, is there a CA-based plan 9 user's group?
>>
>>ron
>>
>
>
>--
>Christopher Nielsen
>"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
>safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin



------=_Part_12450_4876697.1176167849505-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <509071940704091956h671c5bb6gec883192e647c63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:56:09 -0400 From: "Anthony Sorace" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 43037e74-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i'm not normally out there, but visit SF with relative frequency (one coming up the first week in may). i'm interested in getting together with other 9fans. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba40704100057k228f0d2dh3d3574825dc2e2e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:57:57 +0200 From: "Francisco J Ballesteros" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] bell-labs website and plan9 In-Reply-To: <5d375e920704091741m73bf3dacnb0f28c2a58ab0647@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070409232635.GA3187@kris.home> <5efb0db6fba0c2dc536240f5d82185ef@coraid.com> <5d375e920704091741m73bf3dacnb0f28c2a58ab0647@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 431e4ace-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The way it's done is backwards compatible in the sense that no app/fs knows that anyone is speaking Op. All our tools speak styx, and the inferno kernel/emu is the client of choice. Op is used to brigde separate islands so that nobody else has to care. On 4/10/07, Uriel wrote: > One word: latency. > > By the way, is anyone working on the solutions to the latency problem > we discussed at IWP9? I know nemo has a somewhat different solution > with OP but I still would like to see something backwards compatible > with existing 9P. > > uriel > > On 4/10/07, erik quanstrom wrote: > > i don't understand why ssh "using a seperate protocol" implies that it should > > be significantly faster than 9p. could you explain why you think this? > > > > On Mon Apr 9 19:27:33 EDT 2007, bsdaemon@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 08:22:27AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: > > > >My take is that bringing in mercurial, and then using mercurial with > > > >mounted file systems, instead of ssh, would be quite neat. And, we are > > > >close to having it. > > > > > > I'd think that it would be practically a no-op, but I'm not sure of hg's > > > locking semantics. I'd say that it would be a very good idea to support > > > cpu and ssh, though, since ssh uses a separate protocol which should be > > > significantly faster than just doing the work over 9P. Again, I'm not > > > sure of the details. > > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:31:40 -0700 From: Roman Shaposhnick Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-reply-to: <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4358906c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Me too! Me too! ;-) Thanks, Roman. On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 17:12 -0700, ron minnich wrote: > I can see if sandia can make a meeting room available, but at the same > time, we're out in the sticks as far as Si valley is concerned. What's > a good way to do this? > > thanks > > ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:23:07 -0700 From: "Micah Stetson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <20070409155043.6EC651E8C1F@holo.morphisms.net> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 436a52de-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I'm interested as well, though I'm a few hours north and wouldn't be able to attend very often. Micah From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:32:54 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 443037b0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I'm going to look for a place we can meet. I will let you know. Warning, my first choice will be livermore, since I live here :-) ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091007y713c21efg27fab0299a596873@mail.gmail.com> <9ab217670704091011v53bdcb62s321230eb3e385853@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:52:20 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 44f8e156-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Does anyone who wants to attend live or work in the Pleasanton or Hayward areas and might be able to contribute a location there? They are both nice halfway points for almost everyone in the Bay area. I *might* be able to find something in Pleasanton. Give me a few days. Best, leb At 4:32 PM -0700 4/10/07, ron minnich wrote: >I'm going to look for a place we can meet. I will let you know. >Warning, my first choice will be livermore, since I live here :-) > >ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:56:04 -0500 From: "Eric Van Hensbergen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704091032j74072fbds1cee7a27a3738e02@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 451a6b6e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 USENIX BoF in June in Santa Clara? -eric On 4/11/07, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: > Does anyone who wants to attend live or work in the Pleasanton or Hayward areas and might be able to contribute a location there? They are both nice halfway points for almost everyone in the Bay area. > > I *might* be able to find something in Pleasanton. Give me a few days. > > Best, > > leb > > > At 4:32 PM -0700 4/10/07, ron minnich wrote: > >I'm going to look for a place we can meet. I will let you know. > >Warning, my first choice will be livermore, since I live here :-) > > > >ron > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:20:48 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091103t51874727m503ba9254d68da69@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4520603c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/11/07, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > USENIX BoF in June in Santa Clara? see you there. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:56:18 -0700 From: "Joel Franusic" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 45378fe6-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I live 3 hours from the Bay Area, but would definitely want to attend a meeting for 9fans. If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very welcome :-) To learn more about SuperHappyDevHouse, visit http://shdh.org. To see what the party looks like, see http://flickr.com/photos/tags/shdh/ On 4/11/07, ron minnich wrote: > On 4/11/07, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > > USENIX BoF in June in Santa Clara? > > see you there. > > ron > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:31:29 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 458228f8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > welcome :-) looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility. I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small number -- single digits -- of people. If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I can rent a larger room as needed. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:34:32 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12985_14721398.1176503672058" References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4724283c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_12985_14721398.1176503672058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, FWIW, I can set up a meeting on the Google campus in Mountain View, if that's more convenient. Depending on when the meeting is, a 20+ person room with video conferencing and catering should be easy. On 4/12/07, ron minnich wrote: > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > welcome :-) > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > possibility. > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > number -- single digits -- of people. > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > can rent a larger room as needed. > > ron > ------=_Part_12985_14721398.1176503672058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone,
   FWIW, I can set up a meeting on the Google campus in Mountain View, if that's more convenient. Depending on when the meeting is, a 20+ person room with video conferencing and catering should be easy.

On 4/12/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic <joel@sargo.com> wrote:

> If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I
> suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for
> "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very
> welcome :-)

looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility.


I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small
number -- single digits -- of people.

If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I
can rent a larger room as needed.

ron

------=_Part_12985_14721398.1176503672058-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704131636s6483812auce880ce368295ecc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:36:09 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 472fb0e4-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I can get there if it's after next week ... ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:48:57 -0700 From: Roman Shaposhnik Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-reply-to: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <1176590937.7583.34.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704091712k38197e1eo5584f2cb8da02605@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 482ff486-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:34 -0700, David Hendricks wrote: > Hello everyone, > FWIW, I can set up a meeting on the Google campus in Mountain View, > if that's more convenient. Depending on when the meeting is, a 20+ > person room with video conferencing and catering should be easy. Personally -- I'd love that! Thanks, Roman. P.S. Full disclosure: Google campus is a 10 minutes drive from my place ;-) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704141716w5584716fndd56bbee3fcfba8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:16:24 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <1176590937.7583.34.camel@linux.site> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> <1176590937.7583.34.camel@linux.site> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 48423ff6-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Grumble. Where did all you people come from? When I posted about 2 years ago to this list when I was living there, nobody wanted to get together :( --dho 2007/4/14, Roman Shaposhnik : > On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:34 -0700, David Hendricks wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > FWIW, I can set up a meeting on the Google campus in Mountain View, > > if that's more convenient. Depending on when the meeting is, a 20+ > > person room with video conferencing and catering should be easy. > > Personally -- I'd love that! > > Thanks, > Roman. > > P.S. Full disclosure: Google campus is a 10 minutes drive from my > place ;-) > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7871fcf50704141837m6498533r31817b99e0660573@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:37:55 -0400 From: "Joel C. Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <9ab217670704141716w5584716fndd56bbee3fcfba8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> <1176590937.7583.34.camel@linux.site> <9ab217670704141716w5584716fndd56bbee3fcfba8d@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 48480bd4-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 T24gNC8xNC8wNywgRGV2b24gSC4gTydEZWxsIDxkZXZvbi5vZGVsbEBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3Rl Ogo+IEdydW1ibGUuIFdoZXJlIGRpZCBhbGwgeW91IHBlb3BsZSBjb21lIGZyb20/IFdoZW4gSSBw b3N0ZWQgYWJvdXQgMgo+IHllYXJzIGFnbyB0byB0aGlzIGxpc3Qgd2hlbiBJIHdhcyBsaXZpbmcg dGhlcmUsIG5vYm9keSB3YW50ZWQgdG8gZ2V0Cj4gdG9nZXRoZXIgOigKCllvdSBvZmZlcmluZyB0 byBob3N0IGEgOWZhbnMgc2hpbmRpZyBpbiBOZXcgWW9yaywgbWF5YmU/ICDimLoKCi0tSm9lbAo= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704141851t7e38bc42sbdbc87fb4984cd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:51:40 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <7871fcf50704141837m6498533r31817b99e0660573@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> <1176590937.7583.34.camel@linux.site> <9ab217670704141716w5584716fndd56bbee3fcfba8d@mail.gmail.com> <7871fcf50704141837m6498533r31817b99e0660573@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 484da8f0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 MjAwNy80LzE0LCBKb2VsIEMuIFNhbG9tb24gPGpvZWxjc2Fsb21vbkBnbWFpbC5jb20+Ogo+IE9u IDQvMTQvMDcsIERldm9uIEguIE8nRGVsbCA8ZGV2b24ub2RlbGxAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToK PiA+IEdydW1ibGUuIFdoZXJlIGRpZCBhbGwgeW91IHBlb3BsZSBjb21lIGZyb20/IFdoZW4gSSBw b3N0ZWQgYWJvdXQgMgo+ID4geWVhcnMgYWdvIHRvIHRoaXMgbGlzdCB3aGVuIEkgd2FzIGxpdmlu ZyB0aGVyZSwgbm9ib2R5IHdhbnRlZCB0byBnZXQKPiA+IHRvZ2V0aGVyIDooCj4KPiBZb3Ugb2Zm ZXJpbmcgdG8gaG9zdCBhIDlmYW5zIHNoaW5kaWcgaW4gTmV3IFlvcmssIG1heWJlPyAg4pi6Cj4K PiAtLUpvZWwKClN1cmUsIEknbSBhYm91dCAyIGhvdXJzIG5vcnRoIG9mIHRoZSBjaXR5LCBidXQg SSBkb24ndCBtaW5kIHRyYXZlbGxpbmcKdGhlcmUgLyBwaWNraW5nIHBlb3BsZSB1cCBhcm91bmQg bXkgcGxhY2UuIFRoZXJlJ3MgZ29vZCBwaXp6YSAvIGJlZXIgLwp3aW5lIGV2ZXJ5d2hlcmUuLi4K Ci0tZGhvCg== From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:52:07 -0700 From: "Christopher Nielsen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab217670704090750h19fd808dw171a046d088df5f@mail.gmail.com> <1176240700.16650.669.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> <13426df10704101632u473d1187od62843cfe9e7131a@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704110820p56417519yf979919115729864@mail.gmail.com> <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <13426df10704120831w58679aadoefebf9e887f968fe@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 48533a0e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 like ron, i can make it if it's after next week. On 4/13/07, David Hendricks wrote: > Hello everyone, > FWIW, I can set up a meeting on the Google campus in Mountain View, if > that's more convenient. Depending on when the meeting is, a 20+ person room > with video conferencing and catering should be easy. > > > On 4/12/07, ron minnich wrote: > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > welcome :-) > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > possibility. > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > ron > > > > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:23:41 +0000 From: David Hendricks Message-ID: <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4944331e-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well if we plan carefully. Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > welcome :-) > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility. > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > number -- single digits -- of people. > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > can rent a larger room as needed. > > ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:08:37 -0700 From: "Joel Franusic" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 497c1e28-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 David, A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on Upcoming.org would be great! Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. On 4/16/07, David Hendricks wrote: > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > if we plan carefully. > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > welcome :-) > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility. > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > ron > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <32a656c20704162120i251e0b01v51293e1e76c9316@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:20:26 +0900 From: "Vester Thacker" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 49c4a710-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/16/07, David Hendricks wrote: > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > if we plan carefully. I`m sure that not the only one that would be interested in attending via video conferencing. Once available could someone kindly provide the connection details? Or if anyone has iChat, that might work as well. --Vester From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10704162146k4d5634eel456ba8bc50ff1f59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:46:24 -0700 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 49cf89c8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 what day would people prefer? thursday is good for me, mon-wed at least next week are a bit harder (FCCM conflict) ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:54:32 -0700 From: "Christopher Nielsen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <13426df10704162146k4d5634eel456ba8bc50ff1f59@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <13426df10704162146k4d5634eel456ba8bc50ff1f59@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 49ddc5ba-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 thursday works for me. On 4/16/07, ron minnich wrote: > what day would people prefer? thursday is good for me, mon-wed at > least next week are a bit harder (FCCM conflict) > > ron > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:24 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53116_18597839.1176794484917" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 49ef8232-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_53116_18597839.1176794484917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone who wants to attend should feel free to log in to http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting using the password "factotum" to add your name and suggest a time that's convenient. On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > David, > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > Upcoming.org would be great! > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks wrote: > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > if we plan carefully. > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > for > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > possibility. > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > ron > > > ------=_Part_53116_18597839.1176794484917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone who wants to attend should feel free to log in to http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting  using the password "factotum" to add your name and suggest a time that's convenient.

On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote:
David,

A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on
Upcoming.org would be great!

Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos
on May 5th. 2pm to 2am.

On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote:
> > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic <j...@sargo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain
> View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video
> conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well
> if we plan carefully.
>
> Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere?
>
> > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I
> > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for
> > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very
> > > welcome :-)
> >
> > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility.
> >
> > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small
> > number -- single digits -- of people.
> >
> > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I
> > can rent a larger room as needed.
> >
> > ron
>

------=_Part_53116_18597839.1176794484917-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704170140n52380388he83ac5e68e552a54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:40:13 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 49ff2692-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I guess nobody noticed we got a perfectly fine working wiki for Plan 9 at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/ uriel P.S.: Actually, it sucks, but not more than other wikis. On 4/17/07, David Hendricks wrote: > I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone > who wants to attend should feel free to log in to > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting using the > password "factotum" to add your name and > suggest a time that's convenient. > > > On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote: > > David, > > > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > > Upcoming.org would be great! > > > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > > if we plan carefully. > > > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > for > > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > possibility. > > > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:08:09 -0700 From: "Christopher Nielsen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <5d375e920704170140n52380388he83ac5e68e552a54@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704170140n52380388he83ac5e68e552a54@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4a174632-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 if you think things suck so much, then either do something about it or shut up. On 4/17/07, Uriel wrote: > I guess nobody noticed we got a perfectly fine working wiki for Plan 9 > at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/ > > uriel > > P.S.: Actually, it sucks, but not more than other wikis. > > On 4/17/07, David Hendricks wrote: > > I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone > > who wants to attend should feel free to log in to > > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting using the > > password "factotum" to add your name and > > suggest a time that's convenient. > > > > > > On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote: > > > David, > > > > > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > > > Upcoming.org would be great! > > > > > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > > > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > > > > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > > > if we plan carefully. > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > > for > > > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:08:53 -0700 From: "Christopher Nielsen" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704170140n52380388he83ac5e68e552a54@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4a1de442-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 that wasn't meant to go to the list. sorry. On 4/17/07, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > if you think things suck so much, then either do something about it or shut up. > > On 4/17/07, Uriel wrote: > > I guess nobody noticed we got a perfectly fine working wiki for Plan 9 > > at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/ > > > > uriel > > > > P.S.: Actually, it sucks, but not more than other wikis. > > > > On 4/17/07, David Hendricks wrote: > > > I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone > > > who wants to attend should feel free to log in to > > > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting using the > > > password "factotum" to add your name and > > > suggest a time that's convenient. > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote: > > > > David, > > > > > > > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > > > > Upcoming.org would be great! > > > > > > > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > > > > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > > > > > > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > > > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > > > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > > > > if we plan carefully. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > > > for > > > > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > > > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Christopher Nielsen > "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin > -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704170227g44f1079eya51d281a6e9eb5ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:27:27 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704170140n52380388he83ac5e68e552a54@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4a240a48-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Actually, most of the work done on the Plan 9 wiki in recent memory has been by me. I sort of gave up because apparently nobody can be bothered to even use it and they instead go use some junk who knows where that doesn't even work from Plan 9, which is what my email was about. uriel On 4/17/07, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > if you think things suck so much, then either do something about it or shut up. > > On 4/17/07, Uriel wrote: > > I guess nobody noticed we got a perfectly fine working wiki for Plan 9 > > at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/ > > > > uriel > > > > P.S.: Actually, it sucks, but not more than other wikis. > > > > On 4/17/07, David Hendricks wrote: > > > I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone > > > who wants to attend should feel free to log in to > > > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting using the > > > password "factotum" to add your name and > > > suggest a time that's convenient. > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote: > > > > David, > > > > > > > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > > > > Upcoming.org would be great! > > > > > > > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > > > > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > > > > > > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > > > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > > > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > > > > if we plan carefully. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > > > for > > > > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I > > > > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Christopher Nielsen > "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:19:10 -0700 From: Roman Shaposhnick Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-reply-to: <13426df10704162146k4d5634eel456ba8bc50ff1f59@mail.gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <1176844750.16650.1085.camel@work.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <13426df10704162146k4d5634eel456ba8bc50ff1f59@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4bdb6962-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 21:46 -0700, ron minnich wrote: > what day would people prefer? thursday is good for me, mon-wed at > least next week are a bit harder (FCCM conflict) thu and fri Thanks, Roman. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:12:16 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_142270_21365009.1177459936321" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4e882916-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_142270_21365009.1177459936321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, Sorry for bumping this thread, but I want to remind everyone interested in the Bay Area Plan 9 user's group meeting to sign up on the wiki page ( http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting ). Log in with the password "factotum" and edit yourself in. No matter where we end up having the meeting, having an accurate headcount will be important for getting the best facilities available and, if necessary, handling matters of security. It would be a shame for anyone to make it out to Mountain View or Livermore only to be turned away by a guard at the gate! P.S. Thanks to the people who have made the wiki page look nicer :-) On 4/17/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. > Everyone who wants to attend should feel free to log in to http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting > using the password "factotum" to add your name and suggest a time that's convenient. > > > On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote: > > > > David, > > > > A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on > > Upcoming.org would be great! > > > > Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos > > on May 5th. 2pm to 2am. > > > > On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote: > > > > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain > > > View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video > > > conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well > > > if we plan carefully. > > > > > > Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere? > > > > > > > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I > > > > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party > > for > > > > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very > > > > > welcome :-) > > > > > > > > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a > > possibility. > > > > > > > > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small > > > > number -- single digits -- of people. > > > > > > > > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org > > I > > > > can rent a larger room as needed. > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > ------=_Part_142270_21365009.1177459936321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone,
   Sorry for bumping this thread, but I want to remind everyone interested in the Bay Area Plan 9 user's group meeting to sign up on the wiki page ( http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting ). Log in with the password "factotum" and edit yourself in. No matter where we end up having the meeting, having an accurate headcount will be important for getting the best facilities available and, if necessary, handling matters of security. It would be a shame for anyone to make it out to Mountain View or Livermore only to be turned away by a guard at the gate!

   P.S. Thanks to the people who have made the wiki page look nicer :-)


On 4/17/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote:
I checked out a few wiki sites and pbwiki seems to be the easiest. Everyone who wants to attend should feel free to log in to  http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting  using the password "factotum" to add your name and suggest a time that's convenient.


On 4/16/07, Joel Franusic < joel@sargo.com> wrote:
David,

A sign-up Wiki (9fans.pbwiki.com is available!) and/or an event on
Upcoming.org would be great!

Semi-related: I just got word that the next SHDH will be in Los Gatos
on May 5th. 2pm to 2am.

On 4/16/07, David Hendricks < david.hendricks@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 9:06 am, rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) wrote:
> > On 4/11/07, Joel Franusic <j...@sargo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> FWIW, I can reserve a conference room on Google's campus in Mountain
> View if that's more convenient. A 20+ person room with video
> conferencing should be easy. Catering service can be provided as well
> if we plan carefully.
>
> Perhaps we should try to make a sign-up Wiki somewhere?
>
> > > If no meeting space can be found for a Plan 9 users group, might I
> > > suggest attending SuperHappyDevHouse? It's an almost-monthly party for
> > > "hackers and thinkers". An influx of Plan 9 hackers would be very
> > > welcome :-)
> >
> > looks like fun, I am on travel the april 28 one but june 9 is a possibility.
> >
> > I have found I can get a free room at livermore library for a small
> > number -- single digits -- of people.
> >
> > If we can't do better that might be a start. If we had a plan 9 .org I
> > can rent a larger room as needed.
> >
> > ron
>


------=_Part_142270_21365009.1177459936321-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:01:12 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_90309_12487133.1177891272959" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 527af5d0-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_90309_12487133.1177891272959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello again everyone, After a brief discussion, Ron and I agreed that the meeting should be at Google's campus in Mountain View rather than Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab. I'm in the process of getting things set up right now with the help of Leslie Hawthorn, the Open Source Program Manager who some of you know from her involvement in Summer of Code. With her help this should go rather painlessly, but in case something comes up I'll be sure to let everyone know. Also, Ron brought up a very good point about organization: We need an agenda. Ron suggested the following schedule: 6:30 arrival, refreshments 7:00 welcome, introductions all around, talk about why we are here and what we're doing 7:15 or 7:30 somebody can show work in progress ( I can do THX if no one else does) do 2 or 3 of these depending on interest -- can someone talk about Skip tavvakolian's work? 8:00 discuss what we can do, goals of the group, etc. Any more ideas would be appreciated! ------=_Part_90309_12487133.1177891272959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello again everyone,
   After a brief discussion, Ron and I agreed that the meeting should be at Google's campus in Mountain View rather than Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab. I'm in the process of getting things set up right now with the help of Leslie Hawthorn, the Open Source Program Manager who some of you know from her involvement in Summer of Code. With her help this should go rather painlessly, but in case something comes up I'll be sure to let everyone know.

   Also, Ron brought up a very good point about organization: We need an agenda. Ron suggested the following schedule:
6:30 arrival, refreshments
7:00 welcome, introductions all around, talk about why we are here and
what we're doing
7:15 or 7:30 somebody can show work in progress ( I can do THX if no
one else does)
do 2 or 3 of these depending on interest -- can someone talk about
Skip tavvakolian's work?
8:00 discuss what we can do, goals of the group, etc.
 
   Any more ideas would be appreciated!
------=_Part_90309_12487133.1177891272959-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:34:24 +0200 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 52aacc9c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 It would be nice if you could record the event for those of us that can't come. uriel On 4/30/07, David Hendricks wrote: > Hello again everyone, > After a brief discussion, Ron and I agreed that the meeting should be at > Google's campus in Mountain View rather than Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab. > I'm in the process of getting things set up right now with the help of > Leslie Hawthorn, the Open Source Program Manager who some of you know from > her involvement in Summer of Code. With her help this should go rather > painlessly, but in case something comes up I'll be sure to let everyone > know. > > Also, Ron brought up a very good point about organization: We need an > agenda. Ron suggested the following schedule: > 6:30 arrival, refreshments > 7:00 welcome, introductions all around, talk about why we are here and > what we're doing > 7:15 or 7:30 somebody can show work in progress ( I can do THX if no > one else does) > do 2 or 3 of these depending on interest -- can someone talk about > Skip tavvakolian's work? > 8:00 discuss what we can do, goals of the group, etc. > > Any more ideas would be appreciated! > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:05:02 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_99495_22661666.1177956302174" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5385f47a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_99495_22661666.1177956302174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello Uriel, ... and anyone else interested in this idea: On 4/30/07, Uriel wrote: > > It would be nice if you could record the event for those of us that can't > come. > > uriel > You've got it! Should we record the whole conference or figure out what would be best suited for video recording (WIPs, tech talks, etc)? If so, we should work work on that agenda idea a bit more. ------=_Part_99495_22661666.1177956302174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello Uriel,
   ... and anyone else interested in this idea:

On 4/30/07, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice if you could record the event for those of us that can't come.

uriel

You've got it! Should we record the whole conference or figure out what would be best suited for video recording (WIPs, tech talks, etc)? If so, we should work work on that agenda idea a bit more.
------=_Part_99495_22661666.1177956302174-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9ab217670704301243h22bf6acfqff1b70a95b5e7e6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:43:38 -0400 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 538cc700-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2007/4/30, David Hendricks : > Hello Uriel, > ... and anyone else interested in this idea: > > On 4/30/07, Uriel wrote: > > It would be nice if you could record the event for those of us that can't > come. > > > > uriel > > > > You've got it! Should we record the whole conference or figure out what > would be best suited for video recording (WIPs, tech talks, etc)? If so, we > should work work on that agenda idea a bit more. I'd say the whole thing. That's what the FBUG in SV has done in the past anyway. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:04:38 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_104042_24667499.1177974278242" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 53d01c3a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_104042_24667499.1177974278242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, It's official! On behalf of Google Inc. it is my privilege to invite all you 9fans out there to our lovely Mountain View campus for the Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group meeting. We're scheduled to start at 6:00pm and go until 10:00pm on Thursday May 10. We have a spacious conference room which will comfortably sit 20 people (more if we're willing to sit on sofas and exercise balls :-) ). We'll have an overhead projector with easily accessible video connectors on the table, a huge whiteboard and power dongles for your notebooks available. In addition to myself and possibly a few other Googlers, a security guard will be on hand to let guests in and escort them to the conference room. An AV person will be there with a camcorder so those who can't make it can catch up later (And yes, the video will be made publicly available via Google Video). I've updated the Wiki page and will post details as they come. Special thanks to Leslie Hawthorn and the Open Source Programs Office for their help in getting this together. Feel free to contact me directly or ask questions on the mailing list. We look forward to seeing everyone there! ------=_Part_104042_24667499.1177974278242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone,
   It's official! On behalf of Google Inc. it is my privilege to invite all you 9fans out there to our lovely Mountain View campus for the Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group meeting. We're scheduled to start at 6:00pm and go until 10:00pm on Thursday May 10. We have a spacious conference room which will comfortably sit 20 people (more if we're willing to sit on sofas and exercise balls :-) ). We'll have an overhead projector with easily accessible video connectors on the table, a huge whiteboard and power dongles for your notebooks available. In addition to myself and possibly a few other Googlers, a security guard will be on hand to let guests in and escort them to the conference room. An AV person will be there with a camcorder so those who can't make it can catch up later (And yes, the video will be made publicly available via Google Video). I've updated the Wiki page and will post details as they come.

   Special thanks to Leslie Hawthorn and the Open Source Programs Office for their help in getting this together. Feel free to contact me directly or ask questions on the mailing list. We look forward to seeing everyone there! ------=_Part_104042_24667499.1177974278242-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60704301645ye9fec1cr7cf55f1e0f4b175f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:45:53 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 53d63d86-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 4/30/07, David Hendricks wrote: > Hello everyone, > It's official! On behalf of Google Inc. it is my privilege to invite all > you 9fans out there to our lovely Mountain View campus for the Bay Area Plan > 9 Users Group meeting. We're scheduled to start at 6:00pm and go until > 10:00pm on Thursday May 10. We have a spacious conference room which will > comfortably sit 20 people (more if we're willing to sit on sofas and > exercise balls :-) ). We'll have an overhead projector with easily > accessible video connectors on the table, a huge whiteboard and power > dongles for your notebooks available. In addition to myself and possibly a > few other Googlers, a security guard will be on hand to let guests in and > escort them to the conference room. An AV person will be there with a > camcorder so those who can't make it can catch up later (And yes, the video > will be made publicly available via Google Video). I've updated the Wiki > page and will post details as they come. > > Special thanks to Leslie Hawthorn and the Open Source Programs Office for > their help in getting this together. Feel free to contact me directly or ask > questions on the mailing list. We look forward to seeing everyone there! That sounds great! I won't be there in person but I'll look for the video! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:07:17 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_38359_30253326.1178766437317" References: <4f9bdc4c0704112156j63d8e207n52cefad4214b1268@mail.gmail.com> <1176486109.030938.136610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4f9bdc4c0704161008j43d128f2l41af317fffe0a6e9@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920704300634n525cfbffye56cb2e22aa5845@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 61e72f7a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_38359_30253326.1178766437317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello once again, Just thought I'd drop one last note since we're less than a day away from the meeting. I'm optimistic that the turnout will be what we expect from the event wiki page plus several more I have spoken to via e-mail and off-line. We need to be courteous to those hosting our guest speakers off site so we'll have to get them started as close to 6:00pm as possible. I strongly recommend showing up at the campus at least 15 minutes beforehand to make sure signing in and troubleshooting won't cause delays. Give yourself extra time on the highways especially if you're taking 101. Once you find our campus, I suggest heading to the building 43 lobby to get a visitors badge. The lobby is next to that big mess of umbrellas you see in the satellite view of the area. Once inside, let the receptionist and/or security guard know you're there for the Plan 9 Users Group meeting in the Segou room on the second floor of B43. I've updated the event wiki page ( http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting) with contact information. See you there! ------=_Part_38359_30253326.1178766437317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello once again,
   Just thought I'd drop one last note since we're less than a day away from the meeting. I'm optimistic that the turnout will be what we expect from the event wiki page plus several more I have spoken to via e-mail and off-line.

   We need to be courteous to those hosting our guest speakers off site so we'll have to get them started as close to 6:00pm as possible. I strongly recommend showing up at the campus at least 15 minutes beforehand to make sure signing in and troubleshooting won't cause delays. Give yourself extra time on the highways especially if you're taking 101. Once you find our campus, I suggest heading to the building 43 lobby to get a visitors badge. The lobby is next to that big mess of umbrellas you see in the satellite view of the area. Once inside, let the receptionist and/or security guard know you're there for the Plan 9 Users Group meeting in the Segou room on the second floor of B43.

   I've updated the event wiki page (http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting ) with contact information. See you there!
------=_Part_38359_30253326.1178766437317-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0086d1a42d428bb321158f158b894d97@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:17:04 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6578a9e8-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Thank you David, Erik and others at Google that made this possible. > Hello once again, > Just thought I'd drop one last note since we're less than a day away from > the meeting. I'm optimistic that the turnout will be what we expect from the > event wiki page plus several more I have spoken to via e-mail and off-line. > > We need to be courteous to those hosting our guest speakers off site so > we'll have to get them started as close to 6:00pm as possible. I strongly > recommend showing up at the campus at least 15 minutes beforehand to make > sure signing in and troubleshooting won't cause delays. Give yourself extra > time on the highways especially if you're taking 101. Once you find our > campus, I suggest heading to the building 43 lobby to get a visitors badge. > The lobby is next to that big mess of umbrellas you see in the satellite > view of the area. Once inside, let the receptionist and/or security guard > know you're there for the Plan 9 Users Group meeting in the Segou room on > the second floor of B43. > > I've updated the event wiki page ( > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting) with contact information. > See you there! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:06:12 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <0086d1a42d428bb321158f158b894d97@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5622_19920049.1178899572372" References: <0086d1a42d428bb321158f158b894d97@9netics.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 65803b4a-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_5622_19920049.1178899572372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And thank *you* for giving such an excellent talk! The meeting was a huge success and we'll look forward to hosting you all again in the future. On 5/11/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > Thank you David, Erik and others at Google that made this possible. > > > Hello once again, > > Just thought I'd drop one last note since we're less than a day away > from > > the meeting. I'm optimistic that the turnout will be what we expect from > the > > event wiki page plus several more I have spoken to via e-mail and > off-line. > > > > We need to be courteous to those hosting our guest speakers off site > so > > we'll have to get them started as close to 6:00pm as possible. I > strongly > > recommend showing up at the campus at least 15 minutes beforehand to > make > > sure signing in and troubleshooting won't cause delays. Give yourself > extra > > time on the highways especially if you're taking 101. Once you find our > > campus, I suggest heading to the building 43 lobby to get a visitors > badge. > > The lobby is next to that big mess of umbrellas you see in the satellite > > view of the area. Once inside, let the receptionist and/or security > guard > > know you're there for the Plan 9 Users Group meeting in the Segou room > on > > the second floor of B43. > > > > I've updated the event wiki page ( > > http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting) with contact > information. > > See you there! > > ------=_Part_5622_19920049.1178899572372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And thank *you* for giving such an excellent talk! The meeting was a huge success and we'll look forward to hosting you all again in the future.

On 5/11/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
Thank you David, Erik and others at Google that made this possible.

> Hello once again,
>    Just thought I'd drop one last note since we're less than a day away from
> the meeting. I'm optimistic that the turnout will be what we expect from the
> event wiki page plus several more I have spoken to via e-mail and off-line.
>
>    We need to be courteous to those hosting our guest speakers off site so
> we'll have to get them started as close to 6:00pm as possible. I strongly
> recommend showing up at the campus at least 15 minutes beforehand to make
> sure signing in and troubleshooting won't cause delays. Give yourself extra
> time on the highways especially if you're taking 101. Once you find our
> campus, I suggest heading to the building 43 lobby to get a visitors badge.
> The lobby is next to that big mess of umbrellas you see in the satellite
> view of the area. Once inside, let the receptionist and/or security guard
> know you're there for the Plan 9 Users Group meeting in the Segou room on
> the second floor of B43.
>
>    I've updated the event wiki page (
> http://9fans.pbwiki.com/Bay-Area-9fans-Meeting) with contact information.
> See you there!


------=_Part_5622_19920049.1178899572372-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5897a4954fde1f24e78c444e10efad07@fritz.wgti.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:09:29 -0700 From: Tim Wiess In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6585efcc-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > And thank *you* for giving such an excellent talk! The meeting was a huge > success and we'll look forward to hosting you all again in the future. i didn't even realize that video con was an option for those close to a branch office. i'll be there next time.... From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <23b9879428e321368b68234845eaa71b@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:17:34 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <5897a4954fde1f24e78c444e10efad07@fritz.wgti.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 658bc21c-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> And thank *you* for giving such an excellent talk! The meeting was a huge >> success and we'll look forward to hosting you all again in the future. > > i didn't even realize that video con was an option for those close > to a branch office. i'll be there next time.... we talked about that possibility. our conf link from kirkland was just for the first hour of the meeting. i'm waiting for the video to see the rest of the meeting. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7871fcf50705110940v5582e4fbj428b0ad6c20b3c7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:40:10 -0400 From: "Joel C. Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <23b9879428e321368b68234845eaa71b@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5897a4954fde1f24e78c444e10efad07@fritz.wgti.net> <23b9879428e321368b68234845eaa71b@9netics.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 659bdb02-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 5/11/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > i'm waiting for the video to see the rest of the meeting. Will the video be available for other 9fans to watch? --Joel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:24:46 -0700 From: "David Hendricks" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group In-Reply-To: <7871fcf50705110940v5582e4fbj428b0ad6c20b3c7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7095_88285.1178907886484" References: <5897a4954fde1f24e78c444e10efad07@fritz.wgti.net> <23b9879428e321368b68234845eaa71b@9netics.com> <7871fcf50705110940v5582e4fbj428b0ad6c20b3c7d@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 66450b32-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_7095_88285.1178907886484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, it will be available to everybody pretty soon. We need to address a couple special requests and make sure the audio is loud and clear for the whole thing. Think of this as a trial run; things will look much better next time. Also, I should note that we only taped about the first hour and a half of the conference when people were giving talks. It worked out for this meeting since we had a pretty loose organization. It would definitely help if we can come up with a better schedule for the next conference and let the AV people know what we're getting them into to avoid technical difficulties. On 5/11/07, Joel C. Salomon wrote: > > On 5/11/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > i'm waiting for the video to see the rest of the meeting. > > Will the video be available for other 9fans to watch? > > --Joel > ------=_Part_7095_88285.1178907886484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, it will be available to everybody pretty soon. We need to address a couple special requests and make sure the audio is loud and clear for the whole thing. Think of this as a trial run; things will look much better next time.

Also, I should note that we only taped about the first hour and a half of the conference when people were giving talks. It worked out for this meeting since we had a pretty loose organization. It would definitely help if we can come up with a better schedule for the next conference and let the AV people know what we're getting them into to avoid technical difficulties.

On 5/11/07, Joel C. Salomon <joelcsalomon@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/11/07, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
> i'm waiting for the video to see the rest of the meeting.

Will the video be available for other 9fans to watch?

--Joel

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