From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000301cabed1$fb78ca00$f26a5e00$@gmail.com> References: <13426df11003072049h47154430i30ffb529a1d73601@mail.gmail.com> <000301cabed1$fb78ca00$f26a5e00$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: <8ccc8ba41003080757s5321d707hf1ac828ed59decde@mail.gmail.com> From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Topicbox-Message-UUID: e42a8b96-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 At lsub we are doing a bit of work on a db for linux. To make a long story short, autoconf/automake/xmkmf/whatelse? made the code so non portable that a particular version of suse is now necessary to run the thing. Isn't that the opposite of what auto* was trying to achieve? I'd just say: say no. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-bounces@9fans.net] On Behalf= Of lucio@proxima.alt.za >> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:58 PM >> To: 9fans@9fans.net >> Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) >> >> >> Agreed wholeheartedly. =C2=A0Thing is, It's autoconf that needs caref= ul >> >> redesign: >> > >> > I don't see any need for autoconf. As one wise person put it to me, >> > "things like configure and autoconf just mean you don't know how to >> > write portable code". >> > >> Again, agreed, but reality out there suggests many others are still beli= evers, no matter how misguided. =C2=A0We were discussing making >> available Open Source ports... > > What your discussing is adding massive complexity. I would prefer to not = have the tools and programs, and retain simplicity, rather than add outland= ish complexity. > >> >> > I still like to point people at plan 9 ports as an example of a >> > complex system that gets by without this *conf* nonsense. >> >> It falls over just enough to be attacked. =C2=A0Otherwise, p9p source wo= uld have been ported back to Plan 9 in its entirety. =C2=A0It's a shame, >> really, and with some work it could be fixed, but some of that work is d= esign work. >> >> ++L >> >> PS: I realise that I'm proposing two nearly orthogonal objectives, sorry= that I didn't clarify that sooner. > > > >