From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8f4b81393c778af661a64f035cfb39f2@9netics.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:12:01 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Topicbox-Message-UUID: e856850e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Well, in the octopus you have a fixed part, the pc, but all other > machines come and go. The feeling is very much that your stuff is in > the cloud. i was going to mention this. to me the current view of cloud computing as evidence by papers like this[1] are basically hardware infrastructure capable of running vm pools each of which would do exactly what a dedicated server would do. the main benefits being low administration cost and elasticity. networking, authentication and authorization remain as they are now. they are still not addressing what octopus and rangboom are trying to address: how to seamlessly and automatically make resources accessible. if you read what ken said it appears to be this view of cloud computing; he said "some framework to allow many loosely-coupled Plan9 systems to emulate a single system that would be larger and more reliable". in all virtualization systems i've seen the vm has to be smaller than the environment it runs on. if vmware or xen were ever to give you a vm that was larger than any given real machine it ran on, they'd have to solve the same problem. [1] http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2009/EECS-2009-28.pdf