From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Don Message-ID: <8f6cf824.0206101206.40de79f0@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Emacs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:58 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a96d24e2-eaca-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > What? The vi & emacs pages say nothing of any use, sam is > a basic, raw text editor, and acme - see sam. Little motivation? > I would think that having a full featured editor would be quite > appealing to a developer. > Acme has everything I need and I'm more than ur avg developer ;) > Not to be offensive, but sam seems > like notepad. Surely you would agree that emacs is better than > notepad. > I would agree that emacs is better than notepad, but sam != notepad. U would be wise to learn how acme/sam works before makin' this statement. I've been developing my operating system in Acme and I love it. Not only can I test all my code in my Autumn virtual machine directly in acme, but, I can use plumbing to pipe information to/from acme windows thru the virtual machine. Not only that, but, Acme has a great simplicity to it. You can use any Acme win as a shell, directory browser, application win, text editor, etc. Acme, in its simplistic splendor, is more than I ever wanted in an editing environment. Sometimes the simple solution is, after all, the best solution. > Anyway, I'm embarking on a project which only requires a > C compiler and an editor. I thought I'd do it on Plan 9 but, > to be perfectly honest with you, I really have to have a powerful > editor in order to remain productive. > I think once you got used to using plan9's theory behind windowing you would find plan9 is a prime environment for development. Not only do I use plan9 to develop my OS in, but, I also use plan9 daily to audit large projects like bind/apache and other operating system source code. I've never been more happy with an editor. BTW, the Dump feature is killer for projects spanning multiple days. Hopefully, before you dismiss acme as a powerful editor you will continue to research the reasoning and theory behind plan9 and acme? I realize it is rather different style from traditional UNIX editing as well as the Emacs style of editing, but, it is absolutely worth the little effort of researching the theory. Didn't you have to learn about Emacs before you were happy with its utilization and all the 'powerful' processing techniques u employ? Same thing, bro. Don