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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?
Date: Wed,  7 Jan 2009 20:11:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9384d5b4e8e8e41b43bb7a8714b83dc2@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231375012.5141.205.camel@goose.sun.com>

> Lets see. May be its my misinterpretation of what venti does. But so
> far I understand that it boils down to: I give venti a block of any
> length, it gives me a score back. Now internally, venti might decide

just a clarification.  this is done by the client.  from venti(6):
       Files and Directories
          Venti accepts blocks up to 56 kilobytes in size. By conven-
          tion, Venti clients use hash trees of blocks to represent
          arbitrary-size data files. [...]


> But even in the former case I don't see how the corruption could be
> possible. Please elaborate.

i didn't say there would be corruption.  i assumed corruption
and outlined how one could recover the maximal set of data
and have a consistent fs (assuming the damage doesn't cut a
full strip across all backups) by simply picking a good
block at each lba from the available damaged and/or incomplete
backups, which may originate at different times.  (russ was the
first that i know of to put this into practice.)

in the case of zfs, my claim is that since zfs can reuse blocks, two
vdev backups, each with corruption or missing data in different places
are pretty well useless.

- erik




  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-08  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-22 15:27 Venkatesh Srinivas
2008-12-22 15:29 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 16:41 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-25  6:34   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25  6:40     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26  4:28       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-26  4:45         ` lucio
2008-12-26  4:57         ` Anthony Sorace
2008-12-26  6:19           ` blstuart
2008-12-27  8:00           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-27 11:56             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  0:31               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:57                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:19                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 17:03 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2008-12-23  4:31   ` Uriel
2008-12-23  4:46 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-25  6:50   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25 14:37     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 13:27       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 13:33         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 14:27         ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 17:25           ` blstuart
2008-12-26 18:14             ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 18:20               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 18:52                 ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 21:44                   ` blstuart
2008-12-26 22:04                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-26 22:30                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 23:00                         ` blstuart
2008-12-27  6:04                         ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-27 10:36                           ` tlaronde
2008-12-27 16:27                             ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-29 23:54         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:13           ` hiro
2008-12-30  1:07           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  1:48           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-30 13:18             ` Uriel
2008-12-30 15:06               ` C H Forsyth
2008-12-30 17:31                 ` Uriel
2008-12-31  1:58                   ` Noah Evans
2009-01-03 22:03           ` sqweek
2009-01-05  5:05             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:12               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06  5:06                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 13:55                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06  5:49                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 14:22                   ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06 16:19                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06 23:23                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 23:44                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08  0:36                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-08  1:11                             ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-01-20  6:20                               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:19                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 22:30                                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 23:36                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21  1:43                                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-21  2:02                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:28                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:42                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26 16:15                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:39                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27  4:45                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-21 19:02                                         ` Uriel
2009-01-21 19:53                                           ` Steve Simon
2009-01-24  3:15                                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:36                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:21                                                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:53                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26 16:21                                                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 17:37                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27  4:51                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-27  5:44                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21 20:01                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-24  3:19                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:25                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20  6:48                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 16:19                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-20 23:52                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-21  4:49                         ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-01-21  6:38                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-21 14:02                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:16                         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:22                           ` Russ Cox
2009-01-26 19:42                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 20:11                               ` Steve Simon
2008-12-27  7:40       ` Roman Shaposhnik

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