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From: "Bakul Shah via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: mmaping on plan9? (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 08:30:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96C2ED0F-1A2B-42D0-996A-4D0C7FB7624E@iitbombay.org> (raw)
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I have this idea that will horrify most of you!

1. Create an mmap device driver. You ask it to a new file handle which you use to communicate about memory mapping.
2. If you want to mmap some file, you open it and write its file descriptor along with other parameters (file offset, base addr, size, mode, flags) to your mmap file handle.
3. The mmap driver sets up necessary page table entries but doesn't actually fetch any data before returning from the write.
4. It can asynchronously kick off io requests on your behalf and fixup page table entries as needed.
5. Page faults in the mmapped area are serviced by making appropriate read/write calls.
6. Flags can be used to indicate read-ahead or write-behind for typical serial access.
7. Similarly msync, munmap etc. can be implemented.

In a sneaky way this avoids the need for adding any mmap specific syscalls! But the underlying work would be mostly similar in either case.

The main benefits of mmap are reduced initial latency , "pay as you go" cost structure and ease of use. It is certainly more expensive than reading/writing the same amount of data directly from a program.

No idea how horrible a hack is needed to implement such a thing or even if it is possible at all but I had to share this ;-)

> On Jan 7, 2026, at 12:52 AM, wb.kloke@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, 6 January 2026, at 11:59 PM, Ron Minnich wrote:
>> So maybe a pure-ram venti, with a TiB or so of memory, could work? "disks are the work of the devil" -- jmk
> Of course, it would work, but imho it would be pointless. Why would anybody use content-addressed storage on data, which are not on persistent memory?
> 
> Most of the code of a venti is concerned with the task making a backup easy.
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-02 19:54 [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-02 20:39 ` ori
2026-01-02 20:58   ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-06 22:59     ` Ron Minnich
2026-01-07  4:27       ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07  6:15       ` Shawn Rutledge
2026-01-07 15:46         ` Persistent memory (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped) arnold
2026-01-07 16:11           ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:26             ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07  8:52       ` [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-07 16:30         ` Bakul Shah via 9fans [this message]
2026-01-07 16:40           ` mmaping on plan9? (was " Noam Preil
2026-01-07 16:41           ` ori
2026-01-07 20:35             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 21:31               ` ron minnich
2026-01-08  7:56                 ` arnold
2026-01-08 10:31                 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-09  0:02                   ` ron minnich
2026-01-09  3:57                 ` Paul Lalonde
2026-01-09  5:10                   ` ron minnich
2026-01-09  5:18                     ` arnold
2026-01-09  6:06                       ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-01-09 17:13                         ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 17:39                         ` tlaronde
2026-01-09 19:48                           ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-02-05 21:30                             ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 14:18                               ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-08 15:10                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 20:43                                   ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-09  1:35                                     ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 15:23                                       ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 17:13                                         ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-09 21:38                                           ` ron minnich
2026-02-10 10:13                                         ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-11  1:43                                           ` Ron Minnich
2026-02-11  2:19                                           ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-11  3:21                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-11 10:01                                             ` hiro
2026-02-12  1:36                                               ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  5:39                                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12  9:08                                                   ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-12 13:34                                                   ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-13 13:48                                                     ` hiro
2026-02-13 17:21                                                     ` ron minnich
2026-02-15 16:12                                                       ` Danny Wilkins via 9fans
2026-02-17  3:13                                                         ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-17 13:02                                                           ` Dan Cross
2026-02-17 16:00                                                             ` ron minnich
2026-02-17 16:39                                                               ` hiro
2026-02-17 16:56                                                             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16  2:24                                                       ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16  3:17                                                         ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 10:55                                                           ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2026-02-16 13:49                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 19:40                                                           ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 19:43                                                             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16  9:50                                                         ` tlaronde
2026-02-16 12:24                                                         ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-16 12:33                                                         ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-11 14:22                                             ` Dan Cross
2026-02-11 18:44                                               ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12  1:22                                                 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  4:26                                                   ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12  4:34                                                     ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  3:12                                             ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12  4:52                                               ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  8:37                                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 12:37                                                   ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-13  1:36                                                   ` Dan Cross
2026-02-14  3:35                                                     ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-14 14:26                                                       ` Dan Cross
2026-02-15  4:34                                                   ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-15 10:19                                                     ` hiro
2026-02-10 16:49                                         ` wb.kloke
2026-02-08 14:08                             ` Ethan Azariah
2026-01-07 21:40               ` ori
2026-01-07 16:52           ` ori
2026-01-07 17:37             ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 17:46               ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:56                 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 18:07                   ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 18:58                     ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 14:57       ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2026-01-07 16:07         ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:22           ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:31             ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:13         ` Noam Preil
2026-01-02 21:01   ` ori
2026-01-08 15:59     ` wb.kloke
2026-02-11 23:19       ` red

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