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From: "Steve Simon" <steve@quintile.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] audio standards -- too many to choose from
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:26:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <993b91b4e5b323607f0a0d1b598bd3ca@quintile.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A85CC72.3060705@orcasystems.com>

Ok, My memory from about 1982...

first there was phillips who used 2 high speed, high linearity 14bit DACs
in their CD players using 4 times oversampling - as they had no apropriate
16bit converters at the time; which gives near 16bit resolution.

sony however developed a laser trimmed 16bit converter but due to the high price
they time ivison multiplexed a single converter between left and right channels.
This required very steep, very high Q reconstruction filters which had
significantly non-linear phase shifts in the audio band.

people where surprised how much nicer the phillips sounded nicer than the
sony solution. The nasties caused by filters in the sony design have resulted
in much of the that "digital sounds nasty" folklaw.

as time went past people realised that riunning at 256 times oversampling
means you can have a 1 bit converter (i.e. PWM) and get near perfect linearity
without the need for laser trimming.

I beleive the push for very high sample rates at 16 or 24 bits is because it
further simplifies the reconstruction filters and they can be made cleaner
and even less likely to introduce audiable artifacts.

just my opinion and not that of my employer.

-Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-15  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-12  1:08 Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  1:14 ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-12  1:31   ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  1:45     ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-12  2:07       ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  3:14         ` ron minnich
2009-08-12  3:24           ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-12  4:49             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-08-12  4:24           ` Russ Cox
2009-08-12  4:35             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-08-12 15:12               ` Russ Cox
2009-08-12  4:36             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12 15:36               ` hiro
2009-08-14  2:45                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-08-14 13:56                   ` hiro
2009-08-12  5:15             ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  5:39               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12  8:28                 ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  9:30                   ` Steve Simon
2009-08-13  2:16                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-13  3:17                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-13 22:48                     ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-13 22:52                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-13 23:19                         ` Christopher Nielsen
2009-08-13 23:47                         ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14  0:00                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-14  1:13                             ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14  1:41                               ` Anthony Sorace
2009-08-14  2:30                                 ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14  1:42                               ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-14  1:51                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-14  2:22                                 ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14  3:16                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2009-08-14  3:42                                     ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14  7:04                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2009-08-14 20:43                                         ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-15  9:26                                           ` Steve Simon [this message]
2009-08-14 13:16                                     ` matt
2009-08-14  4:51                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-14  5:01                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-14  5:56                                       ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-19  9:58                                         ` matt
2009-08-14  5:18                                     ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-14 14:39                                       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-14  9:16                                   ` Paul Donnelly
2009-08-14 13:47                                     ` hiro
2009-08-14 20:03                         ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-14 21:24                   ` sqweek
2009-08-14 21:54                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-08-15 12:23                       ` hiro
2009-08-14 22:05                     ` Bakul Shah
2009-08-12  5:43               ` Anthony Sorace
2009-08-12  5:59                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12  6:11                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12 11:18                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-13  2:06                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12 22:11             ` James Tomaschke
2009-08-13  7:45             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-08-12  4:20         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12  4:25           ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-12  4:50             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12  5:10               ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12  5:25                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12 15:42                 ` David Leimbach
2009-08-12  5:15               ` Anthony Sorace
2009-08-13  6:42               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-08-13 13:07                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-08-13 13:30                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-08-13 13:31                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-13 14:31                     ` Anthony Sorace
2009-08-13 14:41                       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-13 17:20                       ` hiro
2009-08-12 15:30             ` hiro
2009-08-12  5:54 ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2009-08-12  6:13   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-12 19:50 ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-12 20:57   ` Bakul Shah
2009-08-13  2:18   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-08-13  3:46     ` Tim Newsham
2009-08-13 17:00       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-08-13 19:13         ` Christopher Nielsen
2009-08-15  0:44 erik quanstrom

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