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Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:14:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 15:14:37 -0500 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 63181b68-bbbe-11ee-a17e-83109a782c59 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NZmMzMTgzYmQ3MjVjOGZlMGM0OWRi?= =?UTF-8?B?MWIwPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mfc3183bd725c8fe0c49db1b0:1:70eEqIauGBMHRaaGTPYmUfC-J8f1uJNuwxM8Az-GZ2A I'm not sure what a mainline Plan 9 means. Can you define that term, and tell me who maintains it? Quoth Don Bailey : > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. >=20 > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both = as > a user and a developer. >=20 > I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any > interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. >=20 > D >=20 > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40=E2=80=AFAM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>= wrote: >=20 > > > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I=E2= =80=99d > > prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to on= ly > > receive patches through them. > >=20 > > Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a Use= r? > >=20 > > Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real > > bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would > > "manage" something. for example development and continuous hosting of > > the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. > >=20 > > I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the > > foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last > > few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via > > email) received from them. > >=20 > > I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" > > is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result > > the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server > > resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and > > community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. > >=20 > > It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely > > contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate > > with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community > > members are able to contribute quite effectively. > >=20 > > To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay > > alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own > > team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool > > kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with > > blackjack and hookers. In my head. > >=20 > > Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what > > I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and > > keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit > > another patch to sources some day soon. > >=20 > > hiro ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mfc318= 3bd725c8fe0c49db1b0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription