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Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 12:01:15 -0400 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 38b61d2a-e221-11ec-81af-9fc732017315 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNzY5ODU0ZmFmZDJiN2QzNS1NNWZkNDQxN2YzZTllYTM5YjM4ZTU0?= =?UTF-8?B?ZjM1Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M5fd4417f3e9ea39b38e54f35:1:KlEH7Hfc9z2nqlu8dqcB68Qlo_-0NpdN3MMRnoti02M Quoth ron minnich : > This is why 9p starts to perform poorly in networks with high > bandwidth*delay products -- if you watch the net traffic, you see each > T op on fid blocked by the previous Reply (by devmnt). >=20 > I never figured out a way to fix this without fixing devmnt -- by > removing its general nature. I suspect there are 2 changes that would be needed. First, a shallow protocol change to 9p, where a 'bundle' tag is added, such that if an Rerror is returned for any message in the same bundle, the rest of the bundle is not executed. Second, the userspace API would need to change so that reads and writes can return without waiting for a result, this is harder, and I haven't come up with anything satisfying. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T769854fafd2b7d35-M5fd44= 17f3e9ea39b38e54f35 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription