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From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries
Date: Wed,  5 Nov 2008 20:03:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A8BD18D7-6915-4AF8-8C71-E1D7C1A209A8@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13426df10811051413w6ce96409y90ccf60b01d372f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:13 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Eris Discordia
> <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan
>>> 9 is
>>> about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
>>
>> My intent was, of course, to show your comparison is baseless. It
>> seems you
>> still haven't realized that. You think Plan 9 is great?
>
> Sadly, the picture changes at run time: clock on plan 9 is 128k in
> memory, xclock is 4.2M RSS and 10M VSZ.
> Sic transit gloria .so. Of course, then we hear that "well, all that
> is shared". Hmm. Prove it.

Exactly! On Linux with ld.so accepting relocations (think non-PIC code)
in .text the appearance of some .so's being shared is highly
deceiving. Solaris is better in that regard, but the pressure from
userland community expecting their project to "just work" is mounting.

Thanks,
Roman.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06  4:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <B9EFF9908B07EE7F3D52A6FE@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-05 21:09 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-11-05 21:58   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-05 21:12 ` Rob Pike
2008-11-05 22:02   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-05 22:44     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-11-05 22:50     ` john
2008-11-05 22:13 ` ron minnich
2008-11-06  0:48   ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-06  0:53   ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]   ` <F57A01C450F2AF0D885A4EA2@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-06  1:17     ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-11-06  1:23       ` Rob Pike
2008-11-06  7:11         ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]   ` <4E85CF437A5996E22A154410@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-06  4:01     ` Noah Evans
2008-11-08  2:07       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-08 15:21         ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]         ` <08704C38FEA587112964C8F7@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-08 21:37           ` Noah Evans
2008-11-08 22:12             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 14:53               ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]               ` <44E0B0824F0CA75923FADB8F@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-09 15:52                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 21:16                 ` Noah Evans
2008-11-09 22:07                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-09 22:37                     ` Dan Cross
2008-11-09 22:57                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-06  4:03   ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
     [not found] <88F7FC88EA146B5826CA4895@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-06  8:45 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-06  7:34 Eris Discordia
     [not found] <C9A2E584874CDAD0B23E1ABF@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-06  1:25 ` ron minnich
2008-11-06  1:20   ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-06  7:20   ` Skip Tavakkolian
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-11-06  0:45 Eris Discordia
2008-11-06  5:32 ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-11-06  0:17 Eris Discordia
2008-11-06  1:26 ` erik quanstrom
2008-11-05 20:54 Eris Discordia
     [not found] <98D93FD5E6510345BB763E1E@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-05 18:15 ` ron minnich
2008-11-05 18:55   ` David Leimbach
2008-11-05 19:28     ` Rob Pike
2008-11-05 10:57 Eris Discordia
2008-11-05 16:34 ` Abhishek Kulkarni
2008-11-05 17:19   ` roger peppe
     [not found] <0BA37138CD8655143F1F7260@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-04 15:59 ` ron minnich
2008-11-05  8:26   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-05  8:32     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-05  8:38       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-11-05  8:43         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-05 10:33   ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]   ` <4EA3104D894655DB38E5DC15@192.168.1.2>
2008-11-05 10:55     ` Robert Raschke
2008-11-05 11:02       ` Eris Discordia
2008-11-04 15:06 Eris Discordia
2008-11-03  6:27 [9fans] mmap Charles Forsyth
2008-11-03 13:16 ` [9fans] mmap and shared libraries dave.l
2008-11-03 15:55   ` Kernel Panic
2008-11-04  1:23   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-11-04  3:46   ` michael block
2008-11-05  5:17   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-11-05  5:21     ` ron minnich
2008-11-05  5:25       ` Lyndon Nerenberg

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