From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:49:51 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eugene Gorodinsky To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e1fa4ed69aac049c27b0e5 Subject: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ade55588-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001636e1fa4ed69aac049c27b0e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This question has been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any discussions on the matter. It seems that at least the devices support could go into the original plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork? --001636e1fa4ed69aac049c27b0e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This question has been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any= discussions on the matter. It seems that at least the devices support coul= d go into the original plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a for= k?=C2=A0 --001636e1fa4ed69aac049c27b0e5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Sergey Zhilkin Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:51:47 +0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e899e4502ed049c2b1385 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: adeac4dc-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --90e6ba6e899e4502ed049c2b1385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ! :) Go to the http://www.quanstro.net/plan9/9atom/ and read the few lines of text. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Eugene Gorodinsky wrote: > This question has been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any > discussions on the matter. It seems that at least the devices support cou= ld > go into the original plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork? --=20 =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF= =D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9 With best regards Zhilkin Sergey --90e6ba6e899e4502ed049c2b1385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ! :)

Go to the http://www.quanstro.net/plan9/9atom/ and read the few lines of text.<= br>

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Euge= ne Gorodinsky <e.gorodinsky@gmail.com> wrote:
This question has= been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any discussions on t= he matter. It seems that at least the devices support could go into the ori= ginal plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork?=C2=A0



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With best regards
Zhilkin= Sergey
--90e6ba6e899e4502ed049c2b1385-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:59:08 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eugene Gorodinsky To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2dbe299574c049c389510 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae1490c8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd2dbe299574c049c389510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been there, done that. Not a line of text saying why 9atom appeared nor why the changes are not merged back into plan9. 2011/2/13 Sergey Zhilkin > Hello ! :) > > Go to the http://www.quanstro.net/plan9/9atom/ and read the few lines of > text. > > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Eugene Gorodinsky > wrote: > >> This question has been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any >> discussions on the matter. It seems that at least the devices support co= uld >> go into the original plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork? > > > > > -- > =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0= =BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8 > =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9 > With best regards > Zhilkin Sergey > --000e0cd2dbe299574c049c389510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been there, done that. Not a line of text saying why 9atom appeared nor why= the changes are not merged back into plan9.

2011/2/13 Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com>
Hello ! :)

Go to the http://www.quanstro.net= /plan9/9atom/ and read the few lines of text.



On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Eug= ene Gorodinsky <e.gorodinsky@gmail.com> wrote:
This question has been = bugging me for some time and I haven't found any discussions on the mat= ter. It seems that at least the devices support could go into the original = plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork?=C2=A0



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<= font color=3D"#888888">Zhilkin Sergey

--000e0cd2dbe299574c049c389510-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-21--614830607" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Anthony Sorace Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:10:32 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae1b99e0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-21--614830607 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No big mystery: the Bell Labs folks are more conservative about folding in certain kinds of changes than Erik is. --Apple-Mail-21--614830607 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk1Y1WgACgkQyrb52b5lrs6XVgCfZHdFeLAHZEj3pbvto4QdPA+g FecAn2v0uJWIUxl30gmZ+rr0tUsaUFiJ =DGN+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-21--614830607-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:52:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eugene Gorodinsky To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd328fc09f36e049c395395 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae220c1c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd328fc09f36e049c395395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Any specific rules as to which changes are going to be accepted and which are not? 2011/2/14 Anthony Sorace > No big mystery: the Bell Labs folks are more > conservative about folding in certain kinds > of changes than Erik is. > > --000e0cd328fc09f36e049c395395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any specific rules as to which changes are going to be accepted and which a= re not?

2011/2/14 Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net>
No big mystery: the Bell Labs folks are more
conservative about folding in certain kinds
of changes than Erik is.


--000e0cd328fc09f36e049c395395-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Sergey Zhilkin Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:44:15 +0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305644dfc4e543049c3fec2f Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae5126a0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf305644dfc4e543049c3fec2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ask Geoff :) I think, that plan9 code-base is used somewhere else at Alcatel-Lucent. :) 2011/2/14 Eugene Gorodinsky > Any specific rules as to which changes are going to be accepted and which > are not? > > 2011/2/14 Anthony Sorace > > No big mystery: the Bell Labs folks are more >> conservative about folding in certain kinds >> of changes than Erik is. >> >> > --=20 =D0=A1 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF= =D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9 With best regards Zhilkin Sergey --20cf305644dfc4e543049c3fec2f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ask Geoff :)

I think, that plan9 code-base is used somewhere else at= Alcatel-Lucent. :)

2011/2/14 Eugene Gor= odinsky <e.g= orodinsky@gmail.com>
Any specific rule= s as to which changes are going to be accepted and which are not?

2011/2/14 Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net>

No big mystery: the Bell Labs folks are more
conservative about folding in certain kinds
of changes than Erik is.





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--20cf305644dfc4e543049c3fec2f-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:01:32 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <70a99713d2f713a980995444d3a8f86d@chula.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae695446-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Feb 14 02:01:04 EST 2011, e.gorodinsky@gmail.com wrote: > Been there, done that. Not a line of text saying why 9atom appeared > nor why the changes are not merged back into plan9. there was at least one person i told that a certain bit of atom hardware "works great," only to find out that it did not work great with the distribution iso. i created 9atom as a stopgap but it has continued to be useful since the standard distribution doesn't support ken's file server and not everything has been merged back in. it will be great to get everything merged back in at some point. i see its ongoing utility for me as a way to get some things i'm working on packaged up so people can use them. for example, one big change in 9atom is unicode 6.0 support. (that is, 32-bit runes.) i've used it to do a bit with cuniform. i hope 9atom doesn't offend anyone. gripe at me off like if you want to. i hope to get the cannonical sources online in the near future. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:08:29 +0800 Message-ID: From: Fernan Bolando To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae8f6758-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Eugene Gorodinsky wrote: > This question has been bugging me for some time and I haven't found any > discussions on the matter. It seems that at least the devices support could > go into the original plan9 kernel. What's the reason for having a fork? --This is just how I see this, you can choose to ignore the rest of the message. i have always considered 9atom and a few other independent plan9 stuff as something similar to the openbsd release strategy. Theres a stable release and a current. 9atom is more like openbsd-current it's bleeding edge, but it should be _more_ stable and has _more_ hardware support. The official iso is more like openbsd-stable unless something is broken you will only see bug fixes, until bell-labs considers the new stuff as stable. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: Jacek Masiulaniec To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a reason for the existence of 9atom? Topicbox-Message-UUID: b2a79a86-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 15 February 2011 08:08, Fernan Bolando wrote: > i have always considered 9atom and a few other independent plan9 stuff > as something similar to the openbsd release strategy. Theres a stable > release and a current. 9atom is more like openbsd-current it's > bleeding edge, but it should be _more_ stable and has _more_ hardware > support. The official iso is more like openbsd-stable unless something > is broken you will only see bug fixes, until bell-labs considers the > new stuff as stable. This is near total misrepresentation of the OpenBSD release process.