yep. i'll try just refer&allies, and we'll see. looks like it wouldn't make much problem, namely if i follow the style forsyth did the ape port... thanks, regards, peter, aka ++pac. >This is probably because the Heirloom tools are different from the >Plan 9 tools. I think you should try compiling the Heirloom tools >using ape/psh and see what happens.