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Fri, 26 Jan 2024 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:49:26 -0500 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: <17062539860.b17123c.899285@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 222d70f2-bc5a-11ee-aade-940b1f883344 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UOGQyNzI0MTE4MzBjZWJmYy1NYjk4YmY1OGIxYmQzMjY5OWI0YTAy?= =?UTF-8?B?NWRlPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mb98bf58b1bd32699b4a025de:1:JqSd4CJpLvSd4C5ASNwmVeWpjxMK-v2UZsRPQmPYGHo In my experience, an open source team forms when someone does work. If the work is good, others join in. They start with someone taking initiative to build. Eventually, it may make sense to put in some bureaucracy, as people doing the work struggle to communicate effectively. Right now, it appears that (outside 9front) the problem is the opposite -- there's a lot of folks trying to communicate a direction, but far too few sharing code. It may be worth quoting the FreeBSD wiki on what their core team does: The FreeBSD/core team manages the project as a whole. In theory, they set the long term goals and agenda for development and then delegate the implementation of these goals to the appropriate teams. In reality, the groups of developers doing work in a particular area tend to have an even greater say in the direction of the project. The core team has historically recognized this and gives great deference to active, productive members of the community in matters of direction. Core, and its members, encourage the developer community to work together towards a consensus driven final goal. Core rarely explicitly endorses these goals, but often takes note of progress or its lack in areas important to the project. Again, it's worth emphasizing here that the FreeBSD core team sees its job as facilitating consensus, and dictating direction is a failure mode rather than the common outcome. Don't worry: if you start setting a direction and making progress, you'll have a peanut gallery chiming in and trying to chart the work you do. If you're lucky, some may even help. Quoth Vester \Vic\" Thacker : > Is there interest in establishing a dedicated Plan 9 Core Team to spearhe= ad its technical development? When we look at other communities like FreeBS= D, they have both a foundation and a core team, with the latter overseeing = the technical aspects of the project. If this idea resonates with you, then= the idea of selecting members for the Plan 9 Core Team is worth considerin= g. > It's important to note that the Plan 9 ecosystem consists of multiple dis= tributions. It's possible that the technical leaders of these projects migh= t be willing to step up and contribute their expertise to the Plan 9 Core T= eam, offering valuable guidance and facilitating the development of a new m= ainline. >=20 > The Core Team's responsibilities would include making the tough decisions= required to chart the future course of Plan 9. What are your thoughts on t= his proposal? >=20 > --vic >=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T8d272411830cebfc-Mb98bf= 58b1bd32699b4a025de Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription