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Are you proposing that to be called =E2=80=9CPlan 9 from B= ell Labs 5th edition=E2=80=9D? To be serious though, when has monolithic code bases ever benefited things = in an Open Source community? I mean the only reason would be to control who= can/cannot make decisions on what goes in the stone soup. There are multip= le BSDs. There are multiple Linuxes. Using 9legacy as more than historical = baseline means that we will be stuck with decisions put in place 20-30 year= s ago rather than iterating and moving things forward. The purpose of P9F i= s to =E2=80=9Cpromote and support=E2=80=9D not to regulate. I would love to imagine a time when we have a resurgence of multiple Plan 9= s. I would love to see Akaros and 9atom have a shot in the arm [although mu= ch of what the latter had seems to be swallowed up by 9front and 9legacy an= d the project dead]. I would love to see NIX get a little more traction, as= it seems it is just a standalone experiment [albeit a cool one in terms of= goals]. I think it would be really healthy for Jeanne and Harvey to be mor= e closer to =E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D in the community rather than third cou= sins. Once we have a plurality of opinions, of perspectives, of visions, th= en we can better broker standards and overall trajectories.=20 Best,=20 -pixelhersy >=20 > PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group to > propose and prepare updates for submission to the One Plan Nine (1P9) > that the Foundation is hopefully aiming towards. Of course, that would > also require an arbitration group within the P9F that responds to > requests in a timeous manner. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T6899bf3f0654295d-M02843= 6730443a261d224355a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription