From: ori@eigenstate.org
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: mmaping on plan9? (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2026 11:41:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <B26977CC40F5FE4C442C52B1073997B6@eigenstate.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96C2ED0F-1A2B-42D0-996A-4D0C7FB7624E@iitbombay.org>
Quoth Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> I have this idea that will horrify most of you!
>
> 1. Create an mmap device driver. You ask it to a new file handle which you use to communicate about memory mapping.
> 2. If you want to mmap some file, you open it and write its file descriptor along with other parameters (file offset, base addr, size, mode, flags) to your mmap file handle.
> 3. The mmap driver sets up necessary page table entries but doesn't actually fetch any data before returning from the write.
> 4. It can asynchronously kick off io requests on your behalf and fixup page table entries as needed.
> 5. Page faults in the mmapped area are serviced by making appropriate read/write calls.
> 6. Flags can be used to indicate read-ahead or write-behind for typical serial access.
> 7. Similarly msync, munmap etc. can be implemented.
>
> In a sneaky way this avoids the need for adding any mmap specific syscalls! But the underlying work would be mostly similar in either case.
>
> The main benefits of mmap are reduced initial latency , "pay as you go" cost structure and ease of use. It is certainly more expensive than reading/writing the same amount of data directly from a program.
>
> No idea how horrible a hack is needed to implement such a thing or even if it is possible at all but I had to share this ;-)
To what end? The problems with mmap have little to do with adding a syscall;
they're about how you do things like communicating I/O errors. Especially
when flushing the cache.
Imagine the following setup -- I've imported 9p.io:
9fs 9pio
and then I map a file from it:
mapped = mmap("/n/9pio/plan9/lib/words", OWRITE);
Now, I want to write something into the file:
*mapped = 1234;
The cached version of the page is dirty, so the OS will
eventually need to flush it back with a 9p Twrite; Let's
assume that before this happens, the network goes down.
How do you communicate the error with userspace?
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-02 19:54 [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-02 20:39 ` ori
2026-01-02 20:58 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-06 22:59 ` Ron Minnich
2026-01-07 4:27 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 6:15 ` Shawn Rutledge
2026-01-07 15:46 ` Persistent memory (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped) arnold
2026-01-07 16:11 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:26 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 8:52 ` [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-07 16:30 ` mmaping on plan9? (was " Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 16:40 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 16:41 ` ori [this message]
2026-01-07 20:35 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 21:31 ` ron minnich
2026-01-08 7:56 ` arnold
2026-01-08 10:31 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-09 0:02 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 3:57 ` Paul Lalonde
2026-01-09 5:10 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 5:18 ` arnold
2026-01-09 6:06 ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-01-09 17:13 ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 17:39 ` tlaronde
2026-01-09 19:48 ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-02-05 21:30 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 14:18 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-08 15:10 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 20:43 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-09 1:35 ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 15:23 ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 17:13 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-09 21:38 ` ron minnich
2026-02-10 10:13 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-11 1:43 ` Ron Minnich
2026-02-11 2:19 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-11 3:21 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-11 10:01 ` hiro
2026-02-12 1:36 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 5:39 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 9:08 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-12 13:34 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-13 13:48 ` hiro
2026-02-13 17:21 ` ron minnich
2026-02-15 16:12 ` Danny Wilkins via 9fans
2026-02-17 3:13 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-17 13:02 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-17 16:00 ` ron minnich
2026-02-17 16:39 ` hiro
2026-02-17 16:56 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-17 17:54 ` hiro
2026-02-17 22:21 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16 2:24 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16 3:17 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 10:55 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2026-02-16 13:49 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 19:40 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 19:43 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 9:50 ` tlaronde
2026-02-16 12:24 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-16 12:33 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-11 14:22 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-11 18:44 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12 1:22 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 4:26 ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12 4:34 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 3:12 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 4:52 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12 8:37 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 12:37 ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-13 1:36 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-14 3:35 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-14 14:26 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-15 4:34 ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-15 10:19 ` hiro
2026-02-10 16:49 ` wb.kloke
2026-02-08 14:08 ` Ethan Azariah
2026-01-07 21:40 ` ori
2026-01-07 16:52 ` ori
2026-01-07 17:37 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 17:46 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:56 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 18:07 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 18:58 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 14:57 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2026-01-07 16:07 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:22 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:31 ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:13 ` Noam Preil
2026-01-02 21:01 ` ori
2026-01-08 15:59 ` wb.kloke
2026-02-11 23:19 ` red
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