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From: ori@eigenstate.org
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: mmaping on plan9? (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2026 11:41:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B26977CC40F5FE4C442C52B1073997B6@eigenstate.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96C2ED0F-1A2B-42D0-996A-4D0C7FB7624E@iitbombay.org>

Quoth Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> I have this idea that will horrify most of you!
> 
> 1. Create an mmap device driver. You ask it to a new file handle which you use to communicate about memory mapping.
> 2. If you want to mmap some file, you open it and write its file descriptor along with other parameters (file offset, base addr, size, mode, flags) to your mmap file handle.
> 3. The mmap driver sets up necessary page table entries but doesn't actually fetch any data before returning from the write.
> 4. It can asynchronously kick off io requests on your behalf and fixup page table entries as needed.
> 5. Page faults in the mmapped area are serviced by making appropriate read/write calls.
> 6. Flags can be used to indicate read-ahead or write-behind for typical serial access.
> 7. Similarly msync, munmap etc. can be implemented.
> 
> In a sneaky way this avoids the need for adding any mmap specific syscalls! But the underlying work would be mostly similar in either case.
> 
> The main benefits of mmap are reduced initial latency , "pay as you go" cost structure and ease of use. It is certainly more expensive than reading/writing the same amount of data directly from a program.
> 
> No idea how horrible a hack is needed to implement such a thing or even if it is possible at all but I had to share this ;-)

To what end? The problems with mmap have little to do with adding a syscall;
they're about how you do things like communicating I/O errors. Especially
when flushing the cache.

Imagine the following setup -- I've imported 9p.io:

        9fs 9pio

and then I map a file from it:

        mapped = mmap("/n/9pio/plan9/lib/words", OWRITE);

Now, I want to write something into the file:

        *mapped = 1234;

The cached version of the page is dirty, so the OS will
eventually need to flush it back with a 9p Twrite; Let's
assume that before this happens, the network goes down.

How do you communicate the error with userspace?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-02 19:54 [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-02 20:39 ` ori
2026-01-02 20:58   ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-06 22:59     ` Ron Minnich
2026-01-07  4:27       ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07  6:15       ` Shawn Rutledge
2026-01-07 15:46         ` Persistent memory (was Re: [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped) arnold
2026-01-07 16:11           ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:26             ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07  8:52       ` [9fans] venti /plan9port mmapped wb.kloke
2026-01-07 16:30         ` mmaping on plan9? (was " Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 16:40           ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 16:41           ` ori [this message]
2026-01-07 20:35             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-01-07 21:31               ` ron minnich
2026-01-08  7:56                 ` arnold
2026-01-08 10:31                 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-09  0:02                   ` ron minnich
2026-01-09  3:57                 ` Paul Lalonde
2026-01-09  5:10                   ` ron minnich
2026-01-09  5:18                     ` arnold
2026-01-09  6:06                       ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-01-09 17:13                         ` ron minnich
2026-01-09 17:39                         ` tlaronde
2026-01-09 19:48                           ` David Leimbach via 9fans
2026-02-05 21:30                             ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 14:18                               ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-08 15:10                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-08 20:43                                   ` Ethan Azariah
2026-02-09  1:35                                     ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 15:23                                       ` ron minnich
2026-02-09 17:13                                         ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-09 21:38                                           ` ron minnich
2026-02-10 10:13                                         ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-11  1:43                                           ` Ron Minnich
2026-02-11  2:19                                           ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-11  3:21                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-11 10:01                                             ` hiro
2026-02-12  1:36                                               ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  5:39                                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12  9:08                                                   ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-12 13:34                                                   ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-13 13:48                                                     ` hiro
2026-02-13 17:21                                                     ` ron minnich
2026-02-15 16:12                                                       ` Danny Wilkins via 9fans
2026-02-17  3:13                                                         ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-17 13:02                                                           ` Dan Cross
2026-02-17 16:00                                                             ` ron minnich
2026-02-17 16:39                                                               ` hiro
2026-02-17 16:56                                                             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-17 17:54                                                               ` hiro
2026-02-17 22:21                                                               ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16  2:24                                                       ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-16  3:17                                                         ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 10:55                                                           ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2026-02-16 13:49                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-16 19:40                                                           ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16 19:43                                                             ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-16  9:50                                                         ` tlaronde
2026-02-16 12:24                                                         ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-16 12:33                                                         ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-11 14:22                                             ` Dan Cross
2026-02-11 18:44                                               ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12  1:22                                                 ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  4:26                                                   ` Ori Bernstein
2026-02-12  4:34                                                     ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  3:12                                             ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12  4:52                                               ` Dan Cross
2026-02-12  8:37                                                 ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-12 12:37                                                   ` hiro via 9fans
2026-02-13  1:36                                                   ` Dan Cross
2026-02-14  3:35                                                     ` Alyssa M via 9fans
2026-02-14 14:26                                                       ` Dan Cross
2026-02-15  4:34                                                   ` Bakul Shah via 9fans
2026-02-15 10:19                                                     ` hiro
2026-02-10 16:49                                         ` wb.kloke
2026-02-08 14:08                             ` Ethan Azariah
2026-01-07 21:40               ` ori
2026-01-07 16:52           ` ori
2026-01-07 17:37             ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 17:46               ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:56                 ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 18:07                   ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 18:58                     ` wb.kloke
2026-01-07 14:57       ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2026-01-07 16:07         ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:22           ` Noam Preil
2026-01-07 17:31             ` Wes Kussmaul
2026-01-07 16:13         ` Noam Preil
2026-01-02 21:01   ` ori
2026-01-08 15:59     ` wb.kloke
2026-02-11 23:19       ` red

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