* [9fans] non-PC hardware
@ 2007-03-27 20:31 maht
2007-03-27 20:41 ` John Floren
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From: maht @ 2007-03-27 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
I depressed myself my reading
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Other_hardware/index.html
from the looks of it, other than x86 there's nothing modern (i.e. 1Ghz+)
that runs plan9
do I have this right ?
--
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:31 [9fans] non-PC hardware maht
@ 2007-03-27 20:41 ` John Floren
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
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From: John Floren @ 2007-03-27 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Pretty much. Correct me if I'm wrong, but beyond maybe ARM, you're not
going to have much luck getting 4th ed. running on anything except
x86. I'm not thrilled either, but I don't currently have the knowledge
or time to do any porting.
John
On 3/27/07, maht <mattmobile@proweb.co.uk> wrote:
> I depressed myself my reading
>
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Other_hardware/index.html
>
> from the looks of it, other than x86 there's nothing modern (i.e. 1Ghz+)
> that runs plan9
>
> do I have this right ?
> --
> matt lawless
> maht0x0r@xsmail.com
>
> --
> http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service.
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:31 [9fans] non-PC hardware maht
2007-03-27 20:41 ` John Floren
@ 2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
2007-03-27 20:54 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
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2007-03-27 23:34 ` Lawrence E. Bakst
[not found] ` <p0624081bc22f52bb96dd@192.168.127.192>
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From: ron minnich @ 2007-03-27 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
arm
ppc
x86_64
not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
thanks
ron
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
@ 2007-03-27 20:54 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2007-03-27 21:09 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-27 20:56 ` John Floren
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From: Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente @ 2007-03-27 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tuesday 27 March 2007 14:43:40 ron minnich wrote:
>... what else would you want to run on?
Perhaps the cell processor could be interesting.
On the other hand, you don't have to look to >1GHz processors to have
something interesting... There are several small devices that would enjoy
running plan 9 ;)
---
izaki
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
2007-03-27 20:54 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
@ 2007-03-27 20:56 ` John Floren
2007-03-27 20:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
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From: John Floren @ 2007-03-27 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 3/27/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> arm
> ppc
> x86_64
>
> not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
>
> thanks
>
> ron
>
What's the story on Plan 9 on Mac hardware? I just picked up an old
PowerMac 9600.
John
--
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
2007-03-27 20:54 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2007-03-27 20:56 ` John Floren
@ 2007-03-27 20:58 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-03-27 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
where is x86_64?
- erik
On Tue Mar 27 16:44:15 EDT 2007, rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
> arm
> ppc
> x86_64
>
> not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
>
> thanks
>
> ron
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:54 ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
@ 2007-03-27 21:09 ` Paul Lalonde
2007-03-27 21:57 ` ron minnich
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2007-03-27 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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I would love to boot Plan9 on my PS3 :-)
I'm pretty sure it would be straightforward given that a linux
already exists to show us how to boot under the LV-1 hypervisor.
What is the state of our PPC64 compiler?
Paul
On 27-Mar-07, at 1:54 PM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 March 2007 14:43:40 ron minnich wrote:
>> ... what else would you want to run on?
>
> Perhaps the cell processor could be interesting.
>
> On the other hand, you don't have to look to >1GHz processors to have
> something interesting... There are several small devices that would
> enjoy
> running plan 9 ;)
>
> ---
> izaki
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 21:09 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2007-03-27 21:57 ` ron minnich
2007-03-27 22:05 ` Paul Lalonde
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From: ron minnich @ 2007-03-27 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 3/27/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
> What is the state of our PPC64 compiler?
according to my records, you're doing it :-)
You have a milestone! get busy!
thanks
ron
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 21:57 ` ron minnich
@ 2007-03-27 22:05 ` Paul Lalonde
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2007-03-27 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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:-) I get to add that to my list of projects displaced by real work.
If I really had my act together I'd download IBM's cell simulator and
use that to hack at the compiler with. But for now, back at making
the damned PS3 jump through hoops.
Paul
On 27-Mar-07, at 2:57 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On 3/27/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> What is the state of our PPC64 compiler?
>
> according to my records, you're doing it :-)
>
> You have a milestone! get busy!
>
> thanks
>
> ron
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:31 [9fans] non-PC hardware maht
2007-03-27 20:41 ` John Floren
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
@ 2007-03-27 23:34 ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2007-03-28 0:06 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 0:11 ` David Arnold
[not found] ` <p0624081bc22f52bb96dd@192.168.127.192>
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From: Lawrence E. Bakst @ 2007-03-27 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Many processor architectures are in the process of being marginalized or becoming niche architectures. With Apple switching to X86 and Intel just about dropping IA64, the IA32 and IA32/EM64T is the main architecture(s) going forward. Despite having just sold off the X-Scale embedded to Marvel, I expect Intel to get back into the embedded game with ultra low power X86 chips. Alpha is gone, Sparc is Sun only, MIPs might survive as an embedded architecture.
The big 3 going forward are X86, ARM, and PPC as someone else mentioned.
There is no doubt that plan9 is both portable and has a good dynamic range, from Bitsy to larger X86 boxes with multiple processors. So I am not depressed at all. Supporting new hardware takes lots of work. I've written more IO drivers in my life than most of you. It's a lot of work.
Personally if I was going to work on a plan9 porting I would focus on three areas.
1. The AppleTV box or the Mac Mini. Both of these are low cost machines. Intel actually has an open source driver for the graphics chip on the Mini, which is rare these days, although it doesn't contain source code to do 3D which is too bad. The AppleTV is dirt cheap and you can attach it to a large LCD TV (which are also getting very cheap, soon $1k for 46") and get a really nice setup. I hope the "community" can get some disclosure on the chips used inside the AppleTV box. It would make a nice plan9 terminal.
Because the new Apple stuff is X86 based, ports shouldn't be too hard, delta chip support.
2. Xen. Rumor has it that Xen will be built in to Apple's next OS, Leopard. Everyone is using Xen. So it would be nice to have great support for Xen in plan9. From what I read recently, it seems like it's almost there, but not merged into sources yet.
3. Q: Is there a EM64T version of plan9? If so which word/ptr size model does it use?
http://www.unix.org/version2/whatsnew/lp64_wp.html
I think all of the Intel chips going forward are going have EM64T. So plan9 should have good support for that. Plus you get 8 more registers with EM64T, which the architecture could really use.
leb
At 9:31 PM +0100 3/27/07, maht wrote:
>I depressed myself my reading
>
>http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Other_hardware/index.html
>
>from the looks of it, other than x86 there's nothing modern (i.e. 1Ghz+)
>that runs plan9
>
>do I have this right ?
>--
> matt lawless
> maht0x0r@xsmail.com
>
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 23:34 ` Lawrence E. Bakst
@ 2007-03-28 0:06 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 4:19 ` William Josephson
2007-03-28 13:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-03-28 0:11 ` David Arnold
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-03-28 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Despite having just sold off the X-Scale embedded to Marvel, I expect Intel to get back into the embedded game with ultra low power X86 chips. Alpha is gone, Sparc is Sun only, MIPs might survive as an embedded architecture.
intel still sells embedded xscale processors. i looked at this a while
back
http://www.intel.com/design/network/prodbrf/309430.htm
kind of looks like a network-cell processor, doesn't it?
> I think all of the Intel chips going forward are going have EM64T. So plan9 should have good support for that. Plus you get 8 more registers with EM64T, which the architecture could really use.
i'm not sure what advantage more registers present in modern (amd|intel)/x64
chips. a value in l1 cache is only 1 cycle away. so i'm not sure what the
practical difference is between something in a register and something in l1.
> Because the new Apple stuff is X86 based, ports shouldn't be too hard, delta chip support.
i'd agree with it not being hard. but that is a considerable amount of
work. granted, most architechtures are not as bad as the pee cee, but
one still has to interface with the boot rom, figure out how to find
and configure memory, set up interrupts, figure out how to talk to
the bus, how to print "hello, world", etc.
ignoring the pc, since it's a pig, here's how much code is in each of the
various ports (my somewhat out-of-date copy):
bitsy 15240
ppc 10315
mtx 7863
while new ports will be great, you need to be prepared for some heavy
lifting.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 23:34 ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2007-03-28 0:06 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-03-28 0:11 ` David Arnold
2007-03-28 9:28 ` Anel Philippe
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From: David Arnold @ 2007-03-28 0:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
-->"leb" == Lawrence E Bakst <ml@iridescent.org> writes:
leb> Alpha is gone, Sparc is Sun only, MIPs might survive as an
leb> embedded architecture. The big 3 going forward are X86, ARM, and
leb> PPC as someone else mentioned.
MIPS has had somewhat of a resurgence recently, with many domestic
gateway/router/wifi boxes using, eg. Broadcom MIPS32 SoCs running Linux
or VxWorks.
but it's not used as a general-purpose processor any longer. with
Apple's move to EM64T, you're left with a 1G UltraSPARCiii for $2200, a
2.5G PPC970 for $3000, or a 1G UltraSPARC T1 for $4000. none of which
look attractive compared with the prices of an x86(-64)
d
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 0:06 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-03-28 4:19 ` William Josephson
2007-03-28 13:29 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: William Josephson @ 2007-03-28 4:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:06:22PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i'm not sure what advantage more registers present in modern (amd|intel)/x64
> chips. a value in l1 cache is only 1 cycle away. so i'm not sure what the
> practical difference is between something in a register and something in l1.
It is more than 1 cycle away; more like 2-3 and for many
applications the extra registers do make a big difference.
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 0:11 ` David Arnold
@ 2007-03-28 9:28 ` Anel Philippe
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From: Anel Philippe @ 2007-03-28 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
David Arnold a écrit :
> -->"leb" == Lawrence E Bakst <ml@iridescent.org> writes:
>
> leb> Alpha is gone, Sparc is Sun only, MIPs might survive as an
> leb> embedded architecture. The big 3 going forward are X86, ARM, and
> leb> PPC as someone else mentioned.
>
> MIPS has had somewhat of a resurgence recently, with many domestic
> gateway/router/wifi boxes using, eg. Broadcom MIPS32 SoCs running Linux
> or VxWorks.
>
> but it's not used as a general-purpose processor any longer.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godson
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 0:06 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 4:19 ` William Josephson
@ 2007-03-28 13:29 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2007-03-28 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>ppc 10315
that's possibly a little misleading: that includes a private copy of devtls.c (2113 lines),
and there are at least two different platforms in that one directory
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-27 20:43 ` ron minnich
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2007-03-27 20:58 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
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From: Iruata Souza @ 2007-03-28 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 3/27/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> arm
> ppc
> x86_64
>
> not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
>
> thanks
>
> ron
>
mips
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
@ 2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-28 16:14 ` David Arnold
2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 16:18 ` Tim Wiess
2007-03-29 10:55 ` Harri Haataja
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From: Jack Johnson @ 2007-03-28 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 3/28/07, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote:
> mips
Dang, can't find it, but there's some startup that's basically
building huge, single-board MIPS clusters using a mix of newer chips
for the interconnects and networking to keep latency down, and older
CPUs to keep heat and expense down.
Anyone else see this blurb?
-Jack
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
[not found] ` <p0624081bc22f52bb96dd@192.168.127.192>
@ 2007-03-28 16:14 ` Lluís Batlle
2007-03-28 16:17 ` Tim Wiess
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From: Lluís Batlle @ 2007-03-28 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
2007/3/28, Lawrence E. Bakst <ml@iridescent.org>:
> Sparc is Sun only,
Isn't www.opensparc.net good for new manufacturers and uses of sparc
processors? In fact I don't know if someone other than Sun plans
building such processors or variants.
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
@ 2007-03-28 16:14 ` David Arnold
2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
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From: David Arnold @ 2007-03-28 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
-->"Jack" == Jack Johnson <knapjack@gmail.com> writes:
Jack> Dang, can't find it, but there's some startup that's basically
Jack> building huge, single-board MIPS clusters using a mix of newer
Jack> chips for the interconnects and networking to keep latency down,
Jack> and older CPUs to keep heat and expense down.
Jack> Anyone else see this blurb?
http://www.movidis.com/ ?
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-28 16:14 ` David Arnold
@ 2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2007-03-28 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> Anyone else see this blurb?
http://www.sicortex.com/
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:14 ` Lluís Batlle
@ 2007-03-28 16:17 ` Tim Wiess
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From: Tim Wiess @ 2007-03-28 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> 2007/3/28, Lawrence E. Bakst <ml@iridescent.org>:
>> Sparc is Sun only,
>
> Isn't www.opensparc.net good for new manufacturers and uses of sparc
> processors? In fact I don't know if someone other than Sun plans
> building such processors or variants.
Fujitsu has some nice ultrasparc systems.
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
@ 2007-03-28 16:18 ` Tim Wiess
2007-03-29 10:55 ` Harri Haataja
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From: Tim Wiess @ 2007-03-28 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
fwiw i've had a 64-bit mips port in the works. it was stalled
many, many months ago due to the lack of spare cycles i had at the
time. however i'm really hoping to pick it back up in the next
coming weeks. most of the toolchain is working and some of the
kernel parts are there.
i absolutely do plan on continuing this, so i'll keep 9fans posted
as soon as i'm back on track with it.
tim
> On 3/27/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> arm
>> ppc
>> x86_64
>>
>> not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> ron
>>
>
> mips
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 17:09 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 17:22 ` Sape Mullender
2007-03-28 16:21 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-03-28 16:36 ` Jack Johnson
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2007-03-28 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
i should perhaps elaborate:
sicortex stick 5000+ 64-bit mips cpus (each 1gflop, 972 six-way smp
compute nodes) onto a single backplane connected in a Kautz topology.
their whitepapers are quite interesting.
won an award at SC'06, if i remember correctly.
On 3/28/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone else see this blurb?
>
> http://www.sicortex.com/
>
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2007-03-28 16:21 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-03-28 16:36 ` Jack Johnson
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From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-03-28 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
They call it "compact". I wonder how would them call the "cluster" in the
Tupperware I saw in the snapshots sent earlier to the list :-)
On 3/28/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone else see this blurb?
>
> http://www.sicortex.com/
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:14 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 16:21 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
@ 2007-03-28 16:36 ` Jack Johnson
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From: Jack Johnson @ 2007-03-28 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 3/28/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone else see this blurb?
>
> http://www.sicortex.com/
That's the one. Interesting box.
-J
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2007-03-28 17:09 ` erik quanstrom
2007-03-28 17:22 ` Sape Mullender
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-03-28 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
however, their flash presentation should be skipped:
"Each node implements six full 64-bit Linux processors..." ?
that's almost a fortune.
- erik
On Wed Mar 28 12:22:20 EDT 2007, mirtchovski@gmail.com wrote:
> i should perhaps elaborate:
>
> sicortex stick 5000+ 64-bit mips cpus (each 1gflop, 972 six-way smp
> compute nodes) onto a single backplane connected in a Kautz topology.
> their whitepapers are quite interesting.
>
> won an award at SC'06, if i remember correctly.
>
> On 3/28/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone else see this blurb?
> >
> > http://www.sicortex.com/
> >
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 16:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-03-28 17:09 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-03-28 17:22 ` Sape Mullender
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From: Sape Mullender @ 2007-03-28 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> i should perhaps elaborate:
>
> sicortex stick 5000+ 64-bit mips cpus (each 1gflop, 972 six-way smp
> compute nodes) onto a single backplane connected in a Kautz topology.
> their whitepapers are quite interesting.
>
> won an award at SC'06, if i remember correctly.
>
> On 3/28/07, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone else see this blurb?
>>
>> http://www.sicortex.com/
Cool. One of my PhD students graduated on Kautz networks (Gerard Smit and
Paul Havinga, "Rattlesnake, a network for real-time multimedia communications",
SIGCOMM, 23(3), July 1992).
Sape
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-28 15:42 ` Iruata Souza
2007-03-28 16:05 ` Jack Johnson
2007-03-28 16:18 ` Tim Wiess
@ 2007-03-29 10:55 ` Harri Haataja
2007-03-29 13:12 ` erik quanstrom
2 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread
From: Harri Haataja @ 2007-03-29 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:42:22PM -0300, Iruata Souza wrote:
> On 3/27/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >arm
> >ppc
> >x86_64
> >
> >not a bad choice, what else would you want to run on?
>
> mips
sparc
hppa
power
cell
.. everything.
Small and old real boxen in particular.
What does plan9 need GHz for anyway ;)
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* Re: [9fans] non-PC hardware
2007-03-29 10:55 ` Harri Haataja
@ 2007-03-29 13:12 ` erik quanstrom
0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread
From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-03-29 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Thu Mar 29 06:56:01 EDT 2007, harriha@mail.student.oulu.fi wrote:
> Small and old real boxen in particular.
> What does plan9 need GHz for anyway ;)
plan 9 may not need ghz but it sure uses them well. we just installed a new
5000P-based cpu server with a single dual-core 1.85ghz woodcrest.
; cd /sys/src/fs/kibbiee
; mk clean; time mk>/dev/null
1.22u 1.17s 2.16r mk
; cd /sys/src/9/pc
; mk clean; time mk 'CONF=pc'>/dev/null
3.80u 3.35s 5.71r mk CONF=pc
that's with just one of the on-board nics using standard frames
and ken's fileserver serving files via il.
- erik
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