From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1309194435.17968.YahooMailClassic@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309194435.17968.YahooMailClassic@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: rbnsw-plan9@yahoo.com.au, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: David Lukes Subject: Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9) Topicbox-Message-UUID: f705e6c4-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 NFS4 on linux has gone with (in addition to everything else) a very plan 9-like "write commands to files" model that uses text. It's complex as you can ever imagine, and then some, but at least they seem to have finally got the idea right to some extent. The new 802.11 wireless infrastructure, I am told, uses a non-ioctl-based command setup too with commands echoed into a synthetic file system. I wouldn't know, I retired most of my linux laptops ... I was at a linuxconf where this was described and it was interesting to see how defensive the speaker had to be about not using an ioctl-like mechanism. People do learn, it just takes time. It takes way more time than you might think. I used to think 10 years was a hugely long time to get changes into the world, now I'm thinking 10 years is remarkably quick, and 20 is more the rule, unless you hit the right idea at just the right time. Which means each of us has maybe 4 chances in life to really push a change into the world. There, I just made your day. ron