From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <146a1427-22a0-48ed-85ab-fe7d13bef318@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <08D916BD-933C-453D-A66B-680C1635B3F4@bitblocks.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:29:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: andrew zerger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd405544ae0f204a5ebb936 Subject: Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it Topicbox-Message-UUID: f1ad6508-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd405544ae0f204a5ebb936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the wait-lock theory of clicking keys, it applies to just abou= t anything involving intention, execution and outcome. "Good it worked!" or "DOH!WTF?" .. these impressions I think are at the heart of a human, experimentation=3Dsurvival thing. That said, I also agree that the ideal interface depends on the user. That said, I really need to look into off-plan9 Acme/acme-like stuff through which I can replace my ssh/vi terminals, "Notepad can run regex and send strings down some pipe, while saving all the stupidity I have put myself through to get where I am?" AWESOME However, one further observation on mousing vs. typing, Explaining to the most entry level user how to defrag the C drive on a Windows machine: Mousing: Click the start menu. Hover on Programs or All Programs depending on your Windows version/theme. Hover over Accessories Hover over System Tools Click on Disk Defragmentor. Look for a list of selectable disks in the top-half region of the window. Click the disk you want to defrag in order to select it. Click the Defragment button in the bottom of the window. OR.. Typing: open a command prompt (because this would be commonpolace) type: "defrag c:" hit the return key I think brain-wait-locked is real, but what makes typing "superior," anyway is that it is our native programming and networking protocol, we don't have to compress type-oriented instructions into some visual-human-vnc terminal in order to copy them to another server (that means person.) The ideal UI utilizes both forms in a unified fasion, here we have a "start menu" which is a list of executables in a set of directories, and the menu subitems are the executables that have been executed in that directory with varying options, sub-item-per-option. And you can copy the menu item to a run-command-bar, edit it and execute it again, saving it back to the menu-list as a new sub-item. I <3 plan9, rhoyerboat On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Harri Haataja wrote= : > On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah wrote: > > I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed > > difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to mak= e > it > > worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much > time > > in front of the puter and have already shortened your life by more than > you > > will save by any optimal use of mousing/keyboarding! > > Some of us have to spend our working hours in front of a computer and > once the interface stops sucking your attention and causing pain, you > can concentrate on the data in front of you instead of wasting your > time thinking about the computer or operating system quirks. > > -- > I appear to be temporarily using gmail's horrible interface. I > apologise for any failure in my part in trying to make it do the right > thing with post formatting. > > --=20 =E2=8E=BC=E2=8E=BA=E2=8E=BA=E2=94=9C@=E2=94=BC=E2=90=8A=E2=94=9C=E2=94=9C= =E2=89=A4-=E2=90=8D=E2=8E=BC=E2=90=8A=E2=96=92=E2=90=8D:/=E2=90=A4=E2=8E=BA= =E2=94=94=E2=90=8A/=E2=8E=BC=E2=90=A4=E2=8E=BA# --000e0cd405544ae0f204a5ebb936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the wait-lock theory of clicking keys, it applies to just abou= t anything involving intention, execution and outcome. "Good it worked= !" or "DOH!WTF?" .. these impressions I think are at the hea= rt of a human, experimentation=3Dsurvival thing. That said, I also agree th= at the ideal interface depends on the user. That said, I really need to loo= k into off-plan9 Acme/acme-like stuff through which I can replace my ssh/vi= terminals, "Notepad can run regex and send strings down some pipe, wh= ile saving all the stupidity I have put myself through to get where I am?&q= uot; AWESOME=C2=A0

However, one further observation on mousing vs. typing, Explaining to t= he most entry level user how to defrag the C drive on a Windows machine:
Mousing:
=C2=A0Click the start menu.
=C2=A0Hover on Programs or= All Programs depending on your Windows version/theme.
=C2=A0Hover over Accessories
=C2=A0Hover over System Tools
=C2=A0Clic= k on Disk Defragmentor.
=C2=A0Look for a list of selectable disks in the= top-half region of the window.
=C2=A0Click the disk you want to defrag = in order to select it.
=C2=A0Click the Defragment button in the bottom of the window.

OR.. =
Typing:
=C2=A0open a command prompt (because this would be commonpol= ace)
=C2=A0type: "defrag c:"
=C2=A0hit the return key
I think brain-wait-locked is real, but what makes typing "superior,&= quot; anyway is that it is our native programming and networking protocol, = we don't have to compress type-oriented instructions into some visual-h= uman-vnc terminal in order to copy them to another server (that means perso= n.)

The ideal UI utilizes both forms in a unified fasion, here we have a &q= uot;start menu" which is a list of executables in a set of directories= , and the menu subitems are the executables that have been executed in that= directory with varying options, sub-item-per-option. And you can copy the = menu item to a run-command-bar, edit it and execute it again, saving it bac= k to the menu-list as a new sub-item.

I <3 plan9,
rhoyerboat

On Fri, = Jun 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Harri Haataja <realblades@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
> I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed=
> difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to ma= ke it
> worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much= time
> in front of the puter and have already shortened your life by more tha= n you
> will save by any optimal use of mousing/keyboarding!

Some of us have to spend our working hours in front of a computer and=
once the interface stops sucking your attention and causing pain, you
can concentrate on the data in front of you instead of wasting your
time thinking about the computer or operating system quirks.

--
I appear to be temporarily using gmail's horrible interface. I
apologise for any failure in my part in trying to make it do the right
thing with post formatting.




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