From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 02:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175771dc1bc54504a4f0f6b9 Subject: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eafe42d6-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175771dc1bc54504a4f0f6b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a loss at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through the .pdf and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking into? Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, debugging, or anything else. Also, if this all seems kind of incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing info for over 4 hours. --0015175771dc1bc54504a4f0f6b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation.=A0 This= system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm= at a loss at...everything.=A0 I visited the IRC channel and am working thr= ough the .pdf and the main site.=A0 Is there anything else I should be look= ing into?=A0 Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install= available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics.=A0= I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, debuggi= ng, or anything else.=A0 Also, if this all seems kind of incoherent, I'= m sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing info for over = 4 hours.
--0015175771dc1bc54504a4f0f6b9-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jason Dreisbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51f9057ce17c804a4f12850 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb03a2ee-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --bcaec51f9057ce17c804a4f12850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Try using 9vx to get used to the environment. http://swtch.com/9vx/ - Jason --bcaec51f9057ce17c804a4f12850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Try using 9vx to get used to the environment.


- Jason
--bcaec51f9057ce17c804a4f12850-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 09:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Andreas Wagner To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325552d56c1047804a4f71e19 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb09702a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000325552d56c1047804a4f71e19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I couldn't get plan9 to run in my qemu vm but 9front (plan9 fork) works flawlessly. http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ - Andreas On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Josh Marshall < joshua.r.marshall.1991@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This > system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a loss > at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through the .pdf > and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking into? Also, > the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install available to > practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. I'm learning, > but not well acquainted with kernel programming, debugging, or anything > else. Also, if this all seems kind of incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am > and I've been working on absorbing info for over 4 hours. > --000325552d56c1047804a4f71e19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I couldn't get plan9 to run in my qemu vm but 9front (plan9 fork) works= flawlessly.

http:/= /code.google.com/p/plan9front/

- Andreas

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Josh Marshall <joshua.r.marshall.1991@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation.=A0 This= system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm= at a loss at...everything.=A0 I visited the IRC channel and am working thr= ough the .pdf and the main site.=A0 Is there anything else I should be look= ing into?=A0 Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install= available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics.=A0= I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, debuggi= ng, or anything else.=A0 Also, if this all seems kind of incoherent, I'= m sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing info for over = 4 hours.

--000325552d56c1047804a4f71e19-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:10:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Rudolf Sykora To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb0ef25c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ > > - Andreas Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word about the reasons on the cited pages. I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a reason... Ruda From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:41:41 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110605164141.36fa6cbd@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb14eab8-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:10:12 +0200 Rudolf Sykora wrote: > > http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ > > > > - Andreas > > Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word about the > reasons on the cited pages. > > I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would > like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a > reason... > Ruda > There is a reason. Two, in fact: The 9fronters are finding it a great learning experience and they're having a lot of fun. IMO this "reason" rubbish is why we haven't had systems research in far too long. As Elucid said when a student asked what was the reason for all this learning, "Give him 2 small coins so he may profit from what he has learned." So the student was given the coins and then expelled. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110605164141.36fa6cbd@kolari.ethans.dre.am> References: <20110605164141.36fa6cbd@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 17:47:58 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb1f5f70-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > we haven't had systems research in far too long Ah, yes, that's why I've been working all this time on carefully studying the licenses of all the software involved. I didn't notice. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:06:27 -0300 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Iruat=C3=A3_Souza?= To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb2d0724-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Rudolf Sykora wrote: >> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ >> >> - Andreas > > Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word about the > reasons on the cited pages. > > I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would > like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a > reason... > Ruda > > http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=bb876e773014caf09c18f4fea6be5100bddbeb2b From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:05:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: Skip Tavakkolian To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb33587c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 it's a shame that none of this is hosted on Plan 9 systems (including cat-v= ). -Skip On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Iruat=E3 Souza wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Rudolf Sykora = wrote: >>> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ >>> >>> - Andreas >> >> Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word about the >> reasons on the cited pages. >> >> I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would >> like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a >> reason... >> Ruda >> >> > > http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=3Dbb876e773014caf09c1= 8f4fea6be5100bddbeb2b > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 00:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636831e7e3587e904a503b484 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb39f326-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001636831e7e3587e904a503b484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it dies. Ubuntu 11.04 fully updated x64_86. I don't know what else info will help. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Iruat=E3 Souza wrote= : > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Rudolf Sykora > wrote: > >> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ > >> > >> - Andreas > > > > Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word about the > > reasons on the cited pages. > > > > I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would > > like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a > > reason... > > Ruda > > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=3Dbb876e773014caf09c1= 8f4fea6be5100bddbeb2b > > --001636831e7e3587e904a503b484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it dies.=A0 Ubuntu 11.04 f= ully updated x64_86.=A0 I don't know what else info will help.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Iruat=E3 Souza <= span dir=3D"ltr"><iru.muzgo@gmail= .com> wrote:
On Sun, J= un 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Rudolf Sykora <rudolf.sykora@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/
>>
>> - Andreas
>
> Why this? What's wrong with plan9? I haven't found a word abou= t the
> reasons on the cited pages.
>
> I see there is a problem almost in every piece of plan9 code. I would<= br> > like to see people trying to fix it, and only fork, if there is a
> reason...
> Ruda
>
>

http://code.= google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=3Dbb876e773014caf09c18f4fea6be5100b= ddbeb2b


--001636831e7e3587e904a503b484-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 07:04:38 +0200 From: David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb3fde4e-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it dies. Ubuntu > 11.04 fully updated x64_86. I don't know what else info will help. Are you sure you tried one of the current 9vx repository ([1] or [2]), and not the old repository [3] (2009-12-27) or a very old binary [4] (2008-07-01)? [1] https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 [2] https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 [3] https://bitbucket.org/rsc/vx32 [4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 -- David du Colombier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 02:06:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00148539259070c60204a504e67e Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb462d62-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00148539259070c60204a504e67e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have the most recent version. Still doesn't work. Also, last night(2 days?) someone posted a .pdf about *nix, a fork of plan9 which has a unique feature where cores are dedicated to certain functions like timing, OS, and user programs. Any idea where I can find it? Code, .iso, or anything really to research and play with. I'm a college sophomore, so please be patient with me. Once I have a grounding, I would hope to start some sort of development and throw out a few ideas of my own should they turn out. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:04 AM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it dies. Ubuntu > > 11.04 fully updated x64_86. I don't know what else info will help. > > Are you sure you tried one of the current 9vx repository ([1] or [2]), > and not the old repository [3] (2009-12-27) or a very old binary [4] > (2008-07-01)? > > [1] https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 > [2] https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 > [3] https://bitbucket.org/rsc/vx32 > [4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 > > -- > David du Colombier > > --00148539259070c60204a504e67e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the most recent version.=A0 Still doesn't work.=A0 Also, last ni= ght(2 days?) someone posted a .pdf about *nix, a fork of plan9 which has a = unique feature where cores are dedicated to certain functions like timing, = OS, and user programs.=A0 Any idea where I can find it?=A0 Code, .iso, or a= nything really to research and play with.

I'm a college sophomore, so please be patient with me.=A0 Once I ha= ve a grounding, I would hope to start some sort of development and throw ou= t a few ideas of my own should they turn out.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:04 AM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it = dies. =A0Ubuntu
> 11.04 fully updated x64_86. =A0I don't know what else info will he= lp.

Are you sure you tried one of the current 9vx repository ([1] or [2])= ,
and not the old repository [3] (2009-12-27) or a very old binary [4]
(2008-07-01)?

[1] https://= bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32
[2] https= ://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32
[3] https://bi= tbucket.org/rsc/vx32
[4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2

--
David du Colombier


--00148539259070c60204a504e67e-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> From: Anthony Sorace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 02:49:59 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8J2) Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eb4c2082-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Nix (I believe it's just nix) is on bitbucket, npe/nix. I agree it looks int= eresting, although I've only read the paper and browsed the tree a bit so fa= r. For 9vx, you're going to need to provide some more details about the failure= mode. What exactly do you do to try and get it running, what exactly does i= t say as a result?= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jason Dreisbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec544ee309ba2e204a5058b3d Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ebce7fbe-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --bcaec544ee309ba2e204a5058b3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My roommate had quite an experience trying to get 9vx to work on the new ubuntus. The big problem is the 64 bit. Have you tried running it on a 32 bit linux? I think what worked well for him was a ubuntu 9.04 32 bit install. - Jason --bcaec544ee309ba2e204a5058b3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 My roommate had quite an experience trying to get 9vx to work on the new ubuntus. The big problem is the 64 bit. Have you tried running it on a 32 bit linux? I think what worked well for him was a ubuntu 9.04 32 bit install.

- Jason
--bcaec544ee309ba2e204a5058b3d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:03:17 +0000 From: Balwinder S Dheeman Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ebd4e958-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 06/05/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Marshall wrote: > I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This > system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a > loss at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through > the .pdf and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking > into? Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install > available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. > I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, > debugging, or anything else. Also, if this all seems kind of > incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing > info for over 4 hours. Try http://werc.homelinux.net/hacks/nano9/ Hope that helps :) -- Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Comeau At9Fans To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb227f76dfc04a50a0922 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ebdb59fa-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb227f76dfc04a50a0922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:04 AM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it dies. Ubuntu > > 11.04 fully updated x64_86. I don't know what else info will help. > > Are you sure you tried one of the current 9vx repository ([1] or [2]), > and not the old repository [3] (2009-12-27) or a very old binary [4] > (2008-07-01)? > > [1] https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 > [2] https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 > [3] https://bitbucket.org/rsc/vx32 > [4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 Where does http://swtch.com/9vx fit into things these days? -- Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta! Comeau C/C++ ONLINE ==> http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it? --20cf300fb227f76dfc04a50a0922 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:04 AM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I tried running 9vx for my linux install and it = dies. =A0Ubuntu
> 11.04 fully updated x64_86. =A0I don't know what else info will he= lp.

Are you sure you tried one of the current 9vx repository ([1] or [2])= ,
and not the old repository [3] (2009-12-27) or a very old binary [4]
(2008-07-01)?

[1] https://= bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32
[2] https= ://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32
[3] https://bi= tbucket.org/rsc/vx32
[4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2

=A0
Where does=A0http://swtch.com/9vx fit into things these days?

--
Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta!
Comeau C/C++ ONLINE =3D=3D> =A0 =A0 http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout=
World Class Compilers: =A0Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90.=
Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried i= t?

--20cf300fb227f76dfc04a50a0922-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:59:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Peter A. Cejchan" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646129e84b8e404a50aac81 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ebe14036-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016e646129e84b8e404a50aac81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, friend, sry 4 a bit offending response: IMHO, maybe, you should get a 0.5 GB partition & try to run p9 natively, believe me, or not, it is worth to. Or, get a $20 i386 box and install p9 on it. And yes, I am not a techie, I am a paleobiologist w/some basic skills on C programming. Yes, the learning curve was a bit steep (BTW: when time vs. skills is plotted, the curve is flat, not steep).., please, don't give up and ask me if I can be of any help, sincerely, Peter. --0016e646129e84b8e404a50aac81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, friend,
sry 4 a bit offending response:
IMHO, maybe, you should g= et a 0.5 GB partition & try to run p9 natively, believe me, or not, it = is worth to. Or, get a $20 i386
=C2=A0box and install p9 on it. And yes,= I am not a techie, I am a paleobiologist w/some basic skills on C programm= ing. Yes, the learning curve was a bit steep (BTW: when=C2=A0 time vs. skil= ls is plotted, the curve is flat, not steep).., please, don't give up a= nd ask me if I can be of any help, sincerely,
Peter.
--0016e646129e84b8e404a50aac81-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4DECD6CD.2090904@yahoo.fr> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:31:57 +0200 From: Nicolas BERCHER User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr_FR; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110506 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ebef9c80-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 05/06/2011 08:18, Josh Marshall wrote: > I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This > system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a > loss at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through > the .pdf and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking > into? Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install > available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. > I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, > debugging, or anything else. Also, if this all seems kind of > incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing > info for over 4 hours. Hi, I recently installed Plan 9 (the real one from the Bell Labs) on qemu (hosted by a 32bits Debian). Since kvm and qemu share the same user interface (yes I'm talking about command line), I use kvm to get the benefice of my intel cpu that is "vmx-aware" (aka VT-x). If you are already familiar with partitioning disks, it should be relatively easy for you to install Plan 9. It is quite simple, even with "fossil+venti" option. The installer will propose you a partition map that you can accept at first. Nicolas Ps: in my installation, I wanted to use two qemu hard drive images: one for Plan 9/fossil and another one for venti (the later contains a first partition for the arenas, it uses 95% of the disk, and the second partition uses 5% of the disk and is used for the venti index). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:36:19 -0500 From: Jack Norton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec047100-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > On 06/05/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Marshall wrote: >> I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This >> system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a >> loss at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through >> the .pdf and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking >> into? Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install >> available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. >> I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, >> debugging, or anything else. Also, if this all seems kind of >> incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing >> info for over 4 hours. > > Try http://werc.homelinux.net/hacks/nano9/ > > Hope that helps :) Good lord. Between these things and '9front' I am missing much. I need to get back on IRC. Either that or you guys could consolidate all your personal 'werc' sites into one Plan 9 'experimental stuff' wiki. It seems a bit ridiculous that werc offers multi-user editing and comments, yet everyone and their mom has their own werc site with a Plan 9 sub-page. Or better yet, resurrect the 'ole webring concept with those silly links to traverse it :). Personally I'd like to see work put into the Plan 9 wiki backend. I'd rather use it than werc (which I do -- but I've only got a little placeholder page that says "coming soon" -- and has for 6 months...). As for 9front, it looks like fun. I say that even though the word 'fork' scares me. Unfortunately IRC requires free time behind the computer -- which I never have. Boo hoo, I know... Well that's my useless post for the day. As for the OP, I'm with Peter C. Install it native and forget all of this other nonsense for now. You could probably find a good candidate PC in a dumpster somewhere. Or a $70 atom board with a bit of memory could do you just fine (the plain intel ones -- not those omg-ION graphics ones). I know the NMO510 guy works with only one core (but it works). Cheers, Jack From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:45:47 +0200 From: David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110606154547.0d382039@wks-ddc.exosec.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20110606070438.6710939b@zinc.9fans.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec177c0a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > [1] https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 > > [2] https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 > > [3] https://bitbucket.org/rsc/vx32 > > [4] http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 > > Where does http://swtch.com/9vx fit into things these days? The mercurial repository referenced on this page doesn't exist anymore, it was moved to [3] in june 2008, and the binary distribution is [4]. -- David du Colombier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> References: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:49:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: Rudolf Sykora To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec2e2568-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Either that or you guys could consolidate all your personal 'werc' sites > into one Plan 9 'experimental stuff' wiki. =A0It seems a bit ridiculous t= hat > werc offers multi-user editing and comments, yet everyone and their mom h= as > their own werc site with a Plan 9 sub-page. I would put my signature below this. R From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> References: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:10:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gabriel_D=EDaz_L=F3pez_de_la_llave?= To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6506c64737ba104a50bab28 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec4643a0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016e6506c64737ba104a50bab28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello I'm glad plan9 works fine in a lot of virtual machines (thanks for it). And you can run plan9 on recent machines too, plan9 and 9atom have worked for me quite well with my Intel Core i7-920 computer. Also, we all like to rule the world with a couple of emails. I could email Mr. Carmack to port Doom IV to plan9, but that will not work, unfortunately XD. If you want a fix for the wiki, you know where's the source. That's the plan9 way afaict. If you want your change into the distribution...that's another story :) slds. gabi On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Jack Norton wrote: > Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > >> On 06/05/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Marshall wrote: >> >>> I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. This >>> system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm at a >>> loss at...everything. I visited the IRC channel and am working through >>> the .pdf and the main site. Is there anything else I should be looking >>> into? Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install >>> available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics. >>> I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming, >>> debugging, or anything else. Also, if this all seems kind of >>> incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorbing >>> info for over 4 hours. >>> >> >> Try http://werc.homelinux.net/hacks/nano9/ >> >> Hope that helps :) >> > > > Good lord. Between these things and '9front' I am missing much. I need to > get back on IRC. > Either that or you guys could consolidate all your personal 'werc' sites > into one Plan 9 'experimental stuff' wiki. It seems a bit ridiculous that > werc offers multi-user editing and comments, yet everyone and their mom has > their own werc site with a Plan 9 sub-page. Or better yet, resurrect the > 'ole webring concept with those silly links to traverse it :). Personally > I'd like to see work put into the Plan 9 wiki backend. I'd rather use it > than werc (which I do -- but I've only got a little placeholder page that > says "coming soon" -- and has for 6 months...). > As for 9front, it looks like fun. I say that even though the word 'fork' > scares me. > Unfortunately IRC requires free time behind the computer -- which I never > have. Boo hoo, I know... > Well that's my useless post for the day. > > As for the OP, I'm with Peter C. Install it native and forget all of this > other nonsense for now. You could probably find a good candidate PC in a > dumpster somewhere. Or a $70 atom board with a bit of memory could do you > just fine (the plain intel ones -- not those omg-ION graphics ones). I know > the NMO510 guy works with only one core (but it works). > > Cheers, > Jack > > --0016e6506c64737ba104a50bab28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello

I'm glad plan9 works fine in a lot of vi= rtual machines (thanks for it). And you can run plan9 on recent machines to= o, plan9 and 9atom have worked for me quite well with my Intel Core i7-920 = computer.

Also, we all like to rule the world with a couple of emails.= I could email Mr. Carmack to port Doom IV to plan9, but that will not work= ,=A0unfortunately=A0XD. If you want a fix for the wiki, you know where'= s the source. That's the plan9 way afaict. If you want your change into= the distribution...that's another story :)

slds.

gabi


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:36 PM, J= ack Norton <jack@0x6a= .com> wrote:
Balwinder= S Dheeman wrote:
On 06/05/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Marshall wrote:
I'm chugging through the resources, reading, and documentation. =A0This=
system acts differently from anything I've previously used, so I'm = at a
loss at...everything. =A0I visited the IRC channel and am working through the .pdf and the main site. =A0Is there anything else I should be looking into? =A0Also, the .pdf said that I should have a working plan9 install
available to practice, so I tried using vmplayer but the kernel panics.
I'm learning, but not well acquainted with kernel programming,
debugging, or anything else. =A0Also, if this all seems kind of
incoherent, I'm sorry, its past 2am and I've been working on absorb= ing
info for over 4 hours.

Try ht= tp://werc.homelinux.net/hacks/nano9/

Hope that helps :)


Good lord. =A0Between these things and '9front' I am missing much. = =A0I need to get back on IRC.
Either that or you guys could consolidate all your personal 'werc' = sites into one Plan 9 'experimental stuff' wiki. =A0It seems a bit = ridiculous that werc offers multi-user editing and comments, yet everyone a= nd their mom has their own werc site with a Plan 9 sub-page. =A0Or better y= et, resurrect the 'ole webring concept with those silly links to traver= se it :). =A0Personally I'd like to see work put into the Plan 9 wiki b= ackend. I'd rather use it than werc (which I do -- but I've only go= t a little placeholder page that says "coming soon" -- and has fo= r 6 months...).
As for 9front, it looks like fun. =A0I say that even though the word 'f= ork' scares me.
Unfortunately IRC requires free time behind the computer -- which I never h= ave. =A0Boo hoo, I know...
Well that's my useless post for the day.

As for the OP, I'm with Peter C. =A0Install it native and forget all of= this other nonsense for now. =A0You could probably find a good candidate P= C in a dumpster somewhere. =A0Or a $70 atom board with a bit of memory coul= d do you just fine (the plain intel ones -- not those omg-ION graphics ones= ). =A0I know the NMO510 guy works with only one core (but it works).

Cheers,
Jack


--0016e6506c64737ba104a50bab28-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:13:44 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <5ffd56b8a79537cbef9169270dfdfc55@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec5b9f5c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I'm glad plan9 works fine in a lot of virtual machines (thanks for it). And > you can run plan9 on recent machines too, plan9 and 9atom have worked for me > quite well with my Intel Core i7-920 computer. works fine for me on the second-generation core stuff, too such as the e3-1220. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> In-Reply-To: <4DECD7D3.40900@0x6a.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-4-497760561" Message-Id: <59B0C021-3C96-4FC5-8CCC-EAC65D04F78A@9srv.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Anthony Sorace Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:19:18 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec6f7b30-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-4-497760561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jack Norton said: > Personally I'd like to see work put into the Plan 9 wiki backend. Good thing there's a Summer of Code project for that! The student is looking to upgrade the format of stored documents and the html generation from it. Should make it much more useful. Greg Comeau asked: > Where does http://swtch.com/9vx fit into things these days? That has not kept up with later developments. Use it's good for the text, but users should absolutely be using ron's (or yiyus's) repo. a --Apple-Mail-4-497760561 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk3s4ewACgkQyrb52b5lrs7LjQCfWip4T13nDmPiRgJlZNYXka3A 2/IAnio0jrzhS3whOkhDCqQd02hEj1TB =NIT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-4-497760561-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 16:21:31 +0200 From: cinap_lenrek@gmx.de To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec7ca33c-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 DooM is functional on plan9front, including sound and keyboard input. The main thanks go to this guy who did the initial port: http://jtomaschke.blogspot.com/ -- cinap From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485392590b9cf9604a50f3048 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec8c8e00-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001485392590b9cf9604a50f3048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right now, wading through this email list, also put my signature behind consolidating these resources. While I don't know much about the forks and the culture behind this OS, Having a central info-hub with heavier file hosting supported by sorceforge or something would be nice. I'm actually working in a web-dev class right now, and the prof. isn't giving me any new information on anything. Who's up for figuring out what could/should be done with the site? Also, a super god Dr. Who master reference to plan9, and other OS's derived from it or involved the the whole next generation of computing would be nice and save me a few google searches, but I have no idea where to start on that one. Also, for running plan9, I'm not familiar with a standards install because I haven't gotten to the reading yet. I'm not even sure if I'm qualified to know the advanced topics in the reading I've gotten into because they are so different from all models I've even been shown, introduced to, or talked about. Is there a book which I could look up to help with this? Finally for this, what would it take to have the GPU treated as a processor bank for idling and tasks not requiring a full CPU core? On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, wrote: > DooM is functional on plan9front, including sound and > keyboard input. > > The main thanks go to this guy who did the initial port: > > http://jtomaschke.blogspot.com/ > > -- > cinap > > --001485392590b9cf9604a50f3048 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right now, wading through this email list, also put my signature behind con= solidating these resources.=A0 While I don't know much about the forks = and the culture behind this OS, Having a central info-hub with heavier file= hosting supported by sorceforge or something would be nice.=A0 I'm act= ually working in a web-dev class right now, and the prof. isn't giving = me any new information on anything.=A0 Who's up for figuring out what c= ould/should be done with the site?=A0 Also, a super god Dr. Who master refe= rence to plan9, and other OS's derived from it or involved the the whol= e next generation of computing would be nice and save me a few google searc= hes, but I have no idea where to start on that one.

Also, for running plan9, I'm not familiar with a standards install = because I haven't gotten to the reading yet.=A0 I'm not even sure i= f I'm qualified to know the advanced topics in the reading I've got= ten into because they are so different from all models I've even been s= hown, introduced to, or talked about.=A0 Is there a book which I could look= up to help with this?

Finally for this, what would it take to have the GPU treated as a proce= ssor bank for idling and tasks not requiring a full CPU core?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, &l= t;cinap_lenrek@gmx.de>= wrote:
DooM is functional on plan9front, including= sound and
keyboard input.

The main thanks go to this guy who did the initial port:

http://jtomas= chke.blogspot.com/

--
cinap


--001485392590b9cf9604a50f3048-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:36:18 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eca56de4-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Finally for this, what would it take to have the GPU treated as a processor > bank for idling and tasks not requiring a full CPU core? leaving trifling software problems tiny running general-purpose code on a special-purpose bit of haradware and running multiple cpu arches in the same machine aside, why wouldn't you prefer to idle the gpu, since it usually less power-efficient than your cpu? pci-sig is working on 300+w pcie power for gpus. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Carlos Oliveira Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ecb4620e-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I downloaded this distribution and it runs fine on Mac OS X. I am trying to compile a C program by following the manual, but I get to a point where the loader 8l can't find the file /386/lib/libc.a Can you guys tell how to get this library? ----------------------------------------------------- Carlos Oliveira http://coliveira.net On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jason Dreisbach wrote: > Try using 9vx to get used to the environment. > http://swtch.com/9vx/ > - Jason From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 02:57:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba07267f1d704a5166172 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ecc3f868-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016363ba07267f1d704a5166172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. First, I'd be cool. Second, the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load wattage which would likely be used. Per processing element, GPUs use less power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under certain loads. Further more, this would greatly increase the available processing power to system, could spur a change in model for GPUs to a processor bank which does distributed work for the whole system, including graphics and the real video card could change to something extrmely abstract which only takes in an image and converts it to a signal for the display(s). So, in short, more system power, and could have long term benifit to hardware development, abstraction, and model change. This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, etc. That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted. Also, I'd like to do something interesting with my free time. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Finally for this, what would it take to have the GPU treated as a > processor > > bank for idling and tasks not requiring a full CPU core? > > leaving trifling software problems tiny running general-purpose > code on a special-purpose bit of haradware and running multiple > cpu arches in the same machine aside, why wouldn't you prefer > to idle the gpu, since it usually less power-efficient than your cpu? > pci-sig is working on 300+w pcie power for gpus. > > - erik > > --0016363ba07267f1d704a5166172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately.=A0 First, I'd be cool.= =A0 Second, the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or ligh= t load wattage which would likely be used.=A0 Per processing element, GPUs = use less power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under= certain loads.=A0 Further more, this would greatly increase the available = processing power to system, could spur a change in model for GPUs to a proc= essor bank which does distributed work for the whole system, including grap= hics and the real video card could change to something extrmely abstract wh= ich only takes in an image and converts it to a signal for the display(s).<= br>
So, in short, more system power, and could have long term benifit to ha= rdware development, abstraction, and model change.

This concept coul= d be taken as far as to bring all processing off specialized areas for gene= ral purpose use, allowing potentially for an internally distributed system = with high regularity, fault tolerance, etc.=A0 That's on the far end, b= ut not to be totally discounted.

Also, I'd like to do something interesting with my free time.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM, erik quanstrom= <quanstro@qu= anstro.net> wrote:
> Finally for this, what would it take to have the GPU treated as a pro= cessor
> bank for idling and tasks not requiring a full CPU core?

leaving trifling software problems tiny running general-purpose
code on a special-purpose bit of haradware and running multiple
cpu arches in the same machine aside, why wouldn't you prefer
to idle the gpu, since it usually less power-efficient than your cpu?
pci-sig is working on 300+w pcie power for gpus.

- erik


--0016363ba07267f1d704a5166172-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 04:54:09 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110607045409.106aca54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Utilizing the GPU (WAS: Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM.) Topicbox-Message-UUID: eccce96e-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 02:57:28 +0000 Josh Marshall wrote: > Also, I'd like to do something interesting with my free time. I guess you'll be writing a compiler and assembler for the GPU and.. not too much else, probably. Using the GPU as a proc gives you a NUMA architecture if I'm not wrong, and the just-released nix[1] system is a development of Plan 9 for NUMA systems, with some interesting additions such as the ability to dedicate a core to an application. Best read the paper[2], I only scanned enough to determine if it was worth remembering. ;) [1]: https://bitbucket.org/npe/nix [2]: https://bitbucket.org/npe/nix/src/c1ba3d50a74a/doc/papers/nix/nix.pdf From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:19:57 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <24b3015141c19676572513e89c82fdd6@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ece175b4-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. First, I'd be cool. Second, > the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load > wattage which would likely be used. Per processing element, GPUs use less > power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under certain > loads. i'd sure like a reference to a case where a system with a gpu draws less power than the same system without. it's not like you can turn the cpu off. > This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off > specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an > internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, etc. > That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted. please explain. how is a machine more of any of these things than a regular multi-core machine? - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24b3015141c19676572513e89c82fdd6@ladd.quanstro.net> References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> <24b3015141c19676572513e89c82fdd6@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:38:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: Josh Marshall To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636831970c1f52304a5202d38 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: eced2634-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001636831970c1f52304a5202d38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A system running more hardware will, for all practical purposes, use more energy. What this would do is increase the efficiency of that power use. Say you're using a single threaded indexing program, and its indexing a very slow medium. Why use a CPU processor when you can idle them, and idle most of the other GPU processors and just use the one? This is mainly for max hardware utilization though. In the VERY long run, I'm seeing thing trending towards very distributed models. As system resources grow, I believe it will become practical to "network" within a system. This can manifest itself in two ways. First, is that due to multi-core systems slowly changing to many-core systems, a networking model is very scalable and with so many things to break, the fault tolerance will become a must. This could allow then for computer systems to continue their march towards a more biological like organization, like a multi-cellular organism. This will likely be abstracted to programmers and users, but on a hardware level, it allows for variable redundancy, extreme fault tolerance, internal and external networking models, and any few components which break will have no or minimal impact on the stability and usability of the system. This is WAY WAY in the future, but that's where I imagine it going and this could be a step in that direction. Was that as coherent as it should be? I'm still playing with this in the back of my head, so its by no means well planned :P I'd be more than happy to talk to someone about this, because no one at my university knows this area--our math and CS/CIS departments are feeble. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. First, I'd be cool. > Second, > > the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load > > wattage which would likely be used. Per processing element, GPUs use > less > > power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under > certain > > loads. > > i'd sure like a reference to a case where a system with a gpu draws less > power than the same system without. it's not like you can turn the cpu > off. > > > This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off > > specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an > > internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, etc. > > That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted. > > please explain. how is a machine more of any of these things than > a regular multi-core machine? > > - erik > > --001636831970c1f52304a5202d38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A system running more hardware will, for all practical purposes, use more e= nergy.=A0 What this would do is increase the efficiency of that power use.= =A0 Say you're using a single threaded indexing program, and its indexi= ng a very slow medium.=A0 Why use a CPU processor when you can idle them, a= nd idle most of the other GPU processors and just use the one?=A0 This is m= ainly for max hardware utilization though.

In the VERY long run, I'm seeing thing trending towards very distri= buted models.=A0 As system resources grow, I believe it will become practic= al to "network" within a system.=A0 This can manifest itself in t= wo ways.=A0 First, is that due to multi-core systems slowly changing to man= y-core systems, a networking model is very scalable and with so many things= to break, the fault tolerance will become a must.=A0 This could allow then= for computer systems to continue their march towards a more biological lik= e organization, like a multi-cellular organism.=A0 This will likely be abst= racted to programmers and users, but on a hardware level, it allows for var= iable redundancy, extreme fault tolerance, internal and external networking= models, and any few components which break will have no or minimal impact = on the stability and usability of the system.=A0 This is WAY WAY in the fut= ure, but that's where I imagine it going and this could be a step in th= at direction.=A0 Was that as coherent as it should be?=A0 I'm still pla= ying with this in the back of my head, so its by no means well planned :P= =A0 I'd be more than happy to talk to someone about this, because no on= e at my university knows this area--our math and CS/CIS departments are fee= ble.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, erik quanstr= om <quanstro@= quanstro.net> wrote:
> Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. =A0Fi= rst, I'd be cool. =A0Second,
> the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load<= br> > wattage which would likely be used. =A0Per processing element, GPUs us= e less
> power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under cer= tain
> loads.

i'd sure like a reference to a case where a system with a gpu dra= ws less
power than the same system without. =A0it's not like you can turn the c= pu
off.

> This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off
> specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an=
> internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, e= tc.
> That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted.

please explain. =A0how is a machine more of any of these things than<= br> a regular multi-core machine?

- erik


--001636831970c1f52304a5202d38-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> <24b3015141c19676572513e89c82fdd6@ladd.quanstro.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:06:11 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gabriel_D=EDaz_L=F3pez_de_la_llave?= To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3074d4987ed50c04a5208f45 Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ecf4d8c0-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf3074d4987ed50c04a5208f45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello AMD and IBM/Sony think a bit different with their Fusion and Cell processors+gpu integrated, no? slds. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Josh Marshall < joshua.r.marshall.1991@gmail.com> wrote: > A system running more hardware will, for all practical purposes, use more > energy. What this would do is increase the efficiency of that power use. > Say you're using a single threaded indexing program, and its indexing a very > slow medium. Why use a CPU processor when you can idle them, and idle most > of the other GPU processors and just use the one? This is mainly for max > hardware utilization though. > > In the VERY long run, I'm seeing thing trending towards very distributed > models. As system resources grow, I believe it will become practical to > "network" within a system. This can manifest itself in two ways. First, is > that due to multi-core systems slowly changing to many-core systems, a > networking model is very scalable and with so many things to break, the > fault tolerance will become a must. This could allow then for computer > systems to continue their march towards a more biological like organization, > like a multi-cellular organism. This will likely be abstracted to > programmers and users, but on a hardware level, it allows for variable > redundancy, extreme fault tolerance, internal and external networking > models, and any few components which break will have no or minimal impact on > the stability and usability of the system. This is WAY WAY in the future, > but that's where I imagine it going and this could be a step in that > direction. Was that as coherent as it should be? I'm still playing with > this in the back of my head, so its by no means well planned :P I'd be more > than happy to talk to someone about this, because no one at my university > knows this area--our math and CS/CIS departments are feeble. > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > >> > Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. First, I'd be cool. >> Second, >> > the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load >> > wattage which would likely be used. Per processing element, GPUs use >> less >> > power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under >> certain >> > loads. >> >> i'd sure like a reference to a case where a system with a gpu draws less >> power than the same system without. it's not like you can turn the cpu >> off. >> >> > This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off >> > specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an >> > internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, >> etc. >> > That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted. >> >> please explain. how is a machine more of any of these things than >> a regular multi-core machine? >> >> - erik >> >> > --20cf3074d4987ed50c04a5208f45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello

AMD and IBM/Sony think a bit different with their = Fusion and Cell processors+gpu integrated, no?

sld= s.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Josh M= arshall <joshua.r.marshall.1991@gmail.com> wrote:
A system running more hardware will, for al= l practical purposes, use more energy.=A0 What this would do is increase th= e efficiency of that power use.=A0 Say you're using a single threaded i= ndexing program, and its indexing a very slow medium.=A0 Why use a CPU proc= essor when you can idle them, and idle most of the other GPU processors and= just use the one?=A0 This is mainly for max hardware utilization though.
In the VERY long run, I'm seeing thing trending towards very distri= buted models.=A0 As system resources grow, I believe it will become practic= al to "network" within a system.=A0 This can manifest itself in t= wo ways.=A0 First, is that due to multi-core systems slowly changing to man= y-core systems, a networking model is very scalable and with so many things= to break, the fault tolerance will become a must.=A0 This could allow then= for computer systems to continue their march towards a more biological lik= e organization, like a multi-cellular organism.=A0 This will likely be abst= racted to programmers and users, but on a hardware level, it allows for var= iable redundancy, extreme fault tolerance, internal and external networking= models, and any few components which break will have no or minimal impact = on the stability and usability of the system.=A0 This is WAY WAY in the fut= ure, but that's where I imagine it going and this could be a step in th= at direction.=A0 Was that as coherent as it should be?=A0 I'm still pla= ying with this in the back of my head, so its by no means well planned :P= =A0 I'd be more than happy to talk to someone about this, because no on= e at my university knows this area--our math and CS/CIS departments are fee= ble.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, erik quanstr= om <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> Well, two reasons come to my mind immediately. =A0First, I'd = be cool. =A0Second,
> the wattage you listed is the max wattage, not the idle or light load<= br> > wattage which would likely be used. =A0Per processing element, GPUs us= e less
> power, and you get more processing power per watt than a CPU under cer= tain
> loads.

i'd sure like a reference to a case where a system with a gpu dra= ws less
power than the same system without. =A0it's not like you can turn the c= pu
off.

> This concept could be taken as far as to bring all processing off
> specialized areas for general purpose use, allowing potentially for an=
> internally distributed system with high regularity, fault tolerance, e= tc.
> That's on the far end, but not to be totally discounted.

please explain. =A0how is a machine more of any of these things than<= br> a regular multi-core machine?

- erik



--20cf3074d4987ed50c04a5208f45-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:25:02 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> <24b3015141c19676572513e89c82fdd6@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Hey, new to this. Trying to get plan9 to work in a VM. Topicbox-Message-UUID: ed0e809a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > that due to multi-core systems slowly changing to many-core systems, a > networking model is very scalable and with so many things to break, the > fault tolerance will become a must. This could allow then for computer i'm not sure i follow along. since i've been paying attention, processors have ranged from ~6e4 transistors to 2e9 transistors. over than range, processors have not gotten 1e5 times less reliable. as a rough first-order guess, reliablity has remained steady. it's also important to remember that unless you have a z/os mainframe, fault-tolerance within the box is a pipe dream. i've never seem a white box pc with redundant motherboards. and motherboards are up near the top of component failures. on the other hand if you want to scale to 1e5 commodity-style systems like google and others do, you're right, fault tolerance outside the box becomes interesting. but that doesn't relate to gpu computing. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:01:40 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <20110607045409.106aca54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Message-ID: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> <20110607045409.106aca54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [9fans] NIX Topicbox-Message-UUID: f2e1718a-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > [2]: https://bitbucket.org/npe/nix/src/c1ba3d50a74a/doc/papers/nix/nix.pdf Is the full BLTJ paper available anyplace? Failing that, could someone tell me which issue it was printed in? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <969a33151abb4d97c8e84351602bfc85@gmx.de> <94dacb4b1569c9a8fbd0afce950a4436@ladd.quanstro.net> <20110607045409.106aca54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:44:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] NIX Topicbox-Message-UUID: f2f03daa-ead6-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 It's still a draft. We'll link the papers in the web site (http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html) once th= ey are ready. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote= : >> [2]: https://bitbucket.org/npe/nix/src/c1ba3d50a74a/doc/papers/nix/nix.p= df > > Is the full BLTJ paper available anyplace? =C2=A0Failing that, could some= one tell > me which issue it was printed in? > >