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From: "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] [RFC] fonts and unicode/utf [TeX]
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:18:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTin+jjx1ppKsS2HHUZJNqW8gpwQpzA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110616121700.GA9131@polynum.com>

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:17 AM,  <tlaronde@polynum.com> wrote:
> Second question: I'm trying to find if, in western languages, including
> ligatures for ae and oe would be good since it is generally needed (one
> can forbid ligatures by inserting "{}" between the letters), or if it's
> not correct to set this by default for fonts (having the glyphes) since
> some western languages use generally the ae or oe combinations without
> knowing or expecting the substitution.

Unicode has part of the answer:  Some ligatures (e.g., U+FB03 “ffi”) are
“Presentation Forms”, i.e., not “real” characters but alternate visual
presentations of the the comprising characters.  Those are (usually)
OK to generate automatically.  But “ae”≠“æ” and “oe”≠“œ”, &c.—please
don’t make these substitutions

Unicode doesn’t have many of these Presentation Forms, and only
includes them for round-trip compatibility with other code sets that
have them.  New ligatures of this sort are *very* unlikely to be
added.

Better solution, as Russ suggested, is OpenType.  In that format, the
font designer can include common (e.g., “ff”), historical (e.g., “st”
& “ſs”), and even ad-hoc ligatures.  (There are “fun” fonts with “LOL”
ligatures, for example.)  Different sets of ligatures can be
enabled/disabled by selecting combinations of OTF features.

At which point you’ve reinvented XɘTeX.

—Joel



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-17 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-16 12:17 tlaronde
2011-06-16 16:49 ` Russ Cox
2011-06-16 17:37   ` tlaronde
2011-06-16 18:43     ` Bakul Shah
2011-06-16 19:20       ` tlaronde
2011-06-16 17:43 ` tlaronde
2011-06-17 14:18 ` Joel C. Salomon [this message]
2011-06-17 15:37   ` tlaronde
2011-06-17 18:07     ` Joel C. Salomon
2011-06-17 18:37       ` tlaronde
2011-06-19 14:21     ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-19 14:07 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-19 16:34   ` tlaronde
2011-06-19 18:01     ` tlaronde
2011-06-19 22:38     ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-20 11:18       ` tlaronde
2011-06-20 21:53         ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-21 10:56           ` tlaronde
2011-06-24 23:05             ` Mauricio CA
2011-06-25  6:50               ` tlaronde
2011-06-25 12:19                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-25 15:03                   ` tlaronde
2011-06-25 15:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-25 16:33                       ` tlaronde
2011-06-25 16:34                     ` Mauricio CA
2011-06-25 17:11                       ` tlaronde
2011-06-25 18:43                         ` Michael Kerpan
2011-06-26  7:57                           ` tlaronde
2011-06-27  1:01                             ` Michael Kerpan
2011-06-27 11:48                               ` tlaronde
2011-06-27 12:36                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-27 14:38                                   ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2011-06-27 17:20                                   ` tlaronde
2011-06-27 17:34                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-27 18:01                                       ` tlaronde
2011-06-27 21:17                                         ` Michael Kerpan
2011-06-28 11:25                                           ` tlaronde
2011-06-27 23:45                                     ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2011-06-27 23:48                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-28 11:19                                       ` tlaronde
2011-06-28 11:32                                         ` tlaronde
2011-06-28 12:16                                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-29 23:43                                         ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2011-06-30 13:02                                           ` tlaronde
2011-06-30 13:14                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-30 13:47                                               ` tlaronde
2011-06-30 14:51                                             ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2011-06-30 15:22                                               ` Michael Kerpan
2011-06-30 16:25                                               ` tlaronde
2011-06-30 16:31                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-30 17:00                                                   ` tlaronde
2011-06-30 17:12                                                     ` tlaronde

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