From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Paschke Christoph In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:25:34 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0c0703721c476ad3658d0bfbd6f7c5b4@ladd.quanstro.net> <6aa908ea-da18-620a-e214-e458d216785f@me.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bd88542-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 In 3 weeks I need work together with Italians because of a machine = control and the optimization system behind. It's already difficult to work together and you can imagine English is = already a good way communication works. Although, in real, it is still difficult to understand the italian = english and probably same with me that the italians understand my german = english. French and Swiss boarders are just some km away ... This multinational = mix is a problem in EU. And this not only means the language, it also means so much other = things. For example, the culture differences and problems with history. So, I remember some years ago, I had to work together with polish people = at a project. I speak russian and therefore I starting to speak with = them russian what they can understand very well. They told me: What you = speak russian to us, we not living in soviet union anymore. And I = answered: You can speak German? NO! What you expect me to speak english, = we not living in USA the same. And such is ONLY an example of the = intercultural problems because for example the polish people living = historically between the hate to russians and the hate to the germans. = And if you need work together such way, can be very exhausting and many = projects fails. But this is ONLY another example. It becomes also with knowledge very = confusing. So, you cannot expect to have one standard to work on. One do = such way, other do other way. One knows this way, other knows other way. = EU is like the babel tower. And I think that other QUITE homogenous = nations like USA cannot understand that chaos. If you buy all you need from your own's company's nation like in former = times this is no problem. But if nations working together in such "small scale" as it becomes now = more and more reality, it is difficult in many cases. And in this way, I already get the feeling that the EU-project behind = the Mini-X is a trial to a machine-control-fundamental that can be quite = unique over Europe once a day. How much this is real, how much this will be, who knows? Maybe if Mini-X = evolves, the governmental offers of EU will dictate Mini-X as the = standard that need be fulfilled. I think in US it was similar procedure = with Ada programing language and military hardware etc. I can imagine this is the background of the Mini-X project. Why not = Linux? Probably because it is already to much chaos and you cannot come = back to the fundamentals anymore that you can expect each nation in EU = to get learned, understood ... Coming back to a structured base that = also is planed to get teached in schools is maybe the way to solve this = problem. But what I speak about Mini-X so much in Plan 9 forum? I got lost a = little bit in thoughts about it because of the GSoC and EU support for = it. So, in real we speak about Plan 9 here, I know! Therefore last part = from me about that comparative issue. Nobody knows how things will come. = If people would know, probably Plan 9 would be the follower of Unix, but = it didn't come that way! Am 20.03.2012 um 00:24 schrieb Bruce Ellis: > Even Shaney is having trouble with these fish of the trees, tho he > would like to borrow "Most cases EU does central shit". >=20 > brucee >=20 > On 20 March 2012 10:07, Charles Forsyth = wrote: >> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/plug-versus-plug-49303764/ >>=20 >>=20 >> On 19 March 2012 22:22, andrey mirtchovski = wrote: >>>=20 >>> damn electric sockets! *shakes fist of impotent rage* >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE) >=20