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Wed, 25 Jan 2023 06:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([197.57.93.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s18-20020a5d4ed2000000b002bde537721dsm4562764wrv.20.2023.01.25.06.12.53 for <9fans@9fans.net> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 25 Jan 2023 06:12:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:12:47 +0200 From: Ahmed Khaled Subject: Re: [9fans] plan 9 and lisp To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4258fc3c-cc05-22f1-437a-ed44e70feb46@lassi.io> References: <8760942b-b1c9-aed1-c194-9ba15ffe2c4a@riseup.net> <436AD830-991E-42F8-9CFC-A18CE66E1A52@iitbombay.org> <4258fc3c-cc05-22f1-437a-ed44e70feb46@lassi.io> X-Mailer: geary/43.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 61680162-9cba-11ed-9042-cf1104dff35f Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UN2IwYWZiZWZiNTMxODliNi1NZWIwZjk2NTBiNGQxMDk2MDcyNjhk?= =?UTF-8?B?NjY5Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Meb0f9650b4d109607268d669:1:FHTUikXWM7pAwC60dOJm7JZYr_MlvsYiMQl_D8VC4aA On Mon, Jan 23 2023 at 01:45:08 PM +0200, Lassi Kortela=20 wrote: > Chibi-Scheme are featherweight >With luck, it's possible to port them to Plan 9 with modest effort. 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